2018 NFL DRAFT - GENERAL THREAD

Wasn't the WHOLE defense only on the field together for the beginning of the Detrout game (no typing error)?

The kitties seemed confused until Collins injury.

 

Year 3 - right on schedule according to "The Plan".

 

I like the stats work Irish. May I add from a less statistical viewpoint, that had we been starting Tyrod Taylor, we'd have 4 or 5 wins to show for the season.

I'm sure you or someone can find that many games where a simple matter of "not turning the ball over" would have been all the difference.

your breakdown and the subtraction of turnovers, coupled with what I hope is a lockdown corner, and an available Gordon, with landry, looks pretty strong to me. Plug in Mayfield when the time is right and we're on our way back.

 

Shoooot. Turn every red zone turnover into a field goal and see where it leaves us

 

Just curious.... Did Cleveland commit more red zone turnovers than their opponents? Didn't look into the stats, but wonder if they both were taken away and made into field goals how much of a difference would it really make?

 

You better sit down, Wazoo. You're gonna be shocked when one of the stats guys in here answers that question.

 

It happened so often I thought it might have been part of the game plan.

 

I'll be honest, red zone turnovers didn't necessarily cost us a ton of wins...However, add to that the turnovers deep in Browns territory that led to points and the 2017 year is one that I would rather just forget ever happened.

2017
Browns turnover ratio [-28] Yes, the Browns had a TWENTY EIGHT turnover differential!! TWENTY FREAKING EIGHT!!! DIFFERENTIAL!!!! It's hard to defend 28 turnovers, but -28 DIFFERENTIAL???

Yeah, you could venture to say turnovers, red zone or otherwise, were a big part of WHY the Browns went 0-16.

 

DeShone Kizer had six redzone interceptions (to go along with three fumbles lost). No other quarterback had more than three interceptions. Twenty quarterbacks threw no interceptions in the redzone.

His interception percentage (5.7) ranked 44th out of 45 - higher than every other quarterback in the NFL but Tom Savage (6.7). The NFL average was 0.8. All other interceptions throw in the redzone across the entire league (37) came in at 3.3 percent.

His touchdown-to-interception differential (+2) was worse than 37 other passers, ranking 38th out of 45. Only one player - C.J. Beathard had a negative differential (-1).

His completion percentage (31.8) ranked 43rd out of 45.

 

Yeah, I defended Kizer, but his decision making was something of nightmares. I still believe, had Sashi done his job and had a veteran in here to PLAY in 2017, Kizer could have been developed. Now, he will get that chance behind a great QB and a team that wouldn't dream of throwing him to the wolves for any other reason than necessity due to injury.

 

Browns had 2.6 giveaways per game, which was obviously first worst.

DeShone Kizer had 1.8 giveaways per game. Tyrod Taylor had 0.4 giveaways per game.

 

Yeah... I think maybe he's a better fit at DE for us:

 

At 248 lbs? Yeah, probably not...I think he will be a specialist, they will find a job for him to do.

 

SAS with some great stat work. So back to my original point: would a difference of twenty less turnovers (8 for Taylor, 28 for Kizer) have meant we come away with 4 - 5 wins?

That sounds like quite a leap, so maybe not, just on turnovers alone.

It would be monumental and totally subjective to go and look at how many times poor QB play resulted in drive killing sacks, or FGs taken because of missed opptys by our over matched QB, or bad reads, or overthrows, etc..... I guess maybe I just feel like we had the overall talent to win 4 - 5 games and with mediocre QB play would have gotten them.

Kizer gets plenty of blame here, but I put more weight on Hue, and the FO for the QB room they created. Sashi gets a chunk of that, but Hue failed IMO to even pretend to acknowledge that his QB was a rookie and never seemed to game plan to offset that.

Well Sashi is gone, and Hue has been forced to hire a "real" OC, and we have actual game experience in the QB room along with a talented and motivated new rookie, so "hope springs eternal" in Cleveland this Spring.

 

Looking forward to the new season, with plenty of question marks, but lots of potential. I'm really counting on Haley to make the O click.

Question marks: Offensively there's no question we are much improved at QB. The RB's are also up a tick or more. The line is questionable due to Joe's retirement, but otherwise solid. The BIG question marks are at Reciever: is Gordon prepared and capable of what he showed 3 years ago, can Coleman stay healthy and "catch" the ball? Landry is clearly a major improvement, but Njoku is still a "potential guy" at this point. Calloway is the epitome of a question mark, so IMO the performance of that group is my biggest concern.

Defensively: I still think our D line is good, if they can hit the field as a unit every game. The secondary is clearly better, how much remains to be seen. It's the linebacker position where we will be the least powerful, but if they are decent, and are well coached and schemed, we will be "right there". If Ward can cut the impact of AB & AJG that will go a long way to keeping games in hand.

I guess every team's fans are saying the same thing. If, if, if........ Hey it's the Browns, without the if, we can all stay home, but I like the direction.

 

It isn't that our LB corp isn't good, it's Jamie Collins absence shot down a whole side of production, because there wasn't a relevant backup in place when he went down...Unfortunately, that's still the case, so the LB corps will go as far as health allows in 2018, imho...All 3 stay healthy and this defense should be pretty darn good.

 

Yes

 

At least 3 wins.

 

Also take into account the times Kizer fired a laser and split the safety and LB for a 1st down where Taylor would rather check it down to the RB on 3rd n long and not risk the potential Int and punt the ball...let’s not read too much into Int stats...remember Kessler...pretty much what your getting w Taylor but a better athlete