2018 NFL DRAFT - GENERAL THREAD

So if I'm reading this right you wanted Barkley and would settle for the QB

 

Go back and read.

 

I did thats what I read

 

Then why are you asking?

 

OK i see its bed time for you

 

I made an honest attempt yesterday to get on board with the Browns' draft and researched and read as much as I could about these guys. Then, I realized that we actually traded up to draft Josh Gordon's insurance policy and I went off the deep end again.

This will take some time.

 

lol! It's a gamble...There's no question about it. Calloway has a checkered history. Dorsey said he did his homework and felt comfortable with the move...I guess we'll see. He's an electrifying player if he can stay out of trouble...Dorsey has had success with taking chances like this, so I'm keeping fingers crossed. He is an exciting WR to think about the possibilities, and likely a major contributor in the return game...

 

Was Dorsey the GM that gambled on Dorial Green-Beckham? If so, that one didn't work out so well...

 

I don't question his ability. I question his availability.

 

You're not helping here, TD.

 

lmao! You tricked me...I didn't realize different thread. that's funny....Oh well, I'll look it up myself. lol!

 

@TopDawg No sir... that was Tennessee but before Jon Robinson, I believe.

 

I agree TD, every draft pick is a gamble, but once you get to the 4th round...they are REALLY a gamble. Calloway, I don't see as a football gamble. The skill set is there for him to easily adapt to the NFL level. Obvious off the field issues is what makes this a "gamble". But, in my opinion, it is far more likely to win a gamble of off field issues, than one of whether they even have the skill set to make it in the league. I don't think anyone is challenging his abilities, it's the off field stuff 100%.

Now, that said, domestic violence is one of my BIGGEST concerns in life, not just the NFL. Everything I can find on the case seems like the girl simply had a case of regret. She claimed to be intoxicated to the point of non-consent, however, she was texting in a manner that indicated otherwise. There were no signs of force and there were lots of people at his place, including other women, who could have helped her at any time had she not wanted to have sex. Nothing happened until after the act and she left the party. Obviously I don't know what happened, but there seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary of forced non-consensual sex.

The credit card scam has me more perplexed at this point. It's flat out illegal activity, so he shows a pattern of willingly going outside the law. I would have to believe getting him to stop smoking pot(which he probably believes should be legal, but isn't) is going to be a tall task. I hate to put this on Gordon, but if he really has turned his life around. Being a mentor and sharing his life on a daily basis could help get him on the straight path. The Browns, and us fans, have lost a lot over the Gordon years...but none of that compares to what Gordon himself has lost. Sharing that experience with this young man may give him his best avenue to success that he could ask for. Doesn't mean it will work, but imho, if it doesn't work here...it probably wouldn't have worked any where.

And with a 4th round pick (or in this case a 4th (114) and 6th (178) ...I am more than willing to gamble. Those picks rarely work out. I think their odds are higher with the Callaway pick and his off field reasons for dropping than taking someone with an inferior skill set.

 

Thanks...For some reason I was thinking KC. Oh well, good...because that pick sucked.

 

Even if it was him...it would show he learned his lesson as Green-Beckham was a second rounder, not a 4th. Taking a first rounder in the second round because of off field issues is much more of an issue than taking the same level talent in the 4th because of off field issues. In the second round, you are still drafting players EXPECTED to make an impact in the league..the 4th, well, not so much. If they do contribute, it is a bonus. If they don't, it's just another failed 4th rounder.

 

Good point

 

As did Antonio...Who could ever forget his famous line; "I was too wasted for sex."....That's a tough one to live down.

 

Since the re-birth, here are the fourth round wide receivers we've drafted:

• Travis Benjamin (2012)
• Vince Mayle (2015)
• Ricardo Louis (2016)

If he plays like Benjamin (or better), then we got a steal. If he plays like Louis, he'll be gone in a couple of seasons. Vince Mayle never played a snap for us, so yeah... we couldn't really do worse.

Personally, I had Callaway off my board because of the red flags. In a crowded room (Gordon, Landry, Coleman, Janis, Louis, Higgins, Callaway, and Ratley) plus future contracts/practice squad guys (Williams, Board, Hazel), Browns will probably only carry five maybe six on the active roster.

 

My guage is going to be Coleman. It isn't a stretch to think he could beat Coleman out as a starter...if that happens, he was a steal replacing a first rounder who never panned out.

 

@Lyman

You (and I) were questioning why Ward at #4.........

From an article over at SI.com

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/30/baker-mayfield-cleveland-browns-draft-mmqb-peter-king

• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.