Geezus you guys are so freaking sensitive. How is having a dissenting opinion "pissing on someone's fun"? I post here because it's the most active board. But it's really not worth it anymore. This idea that anyone that disagrees with a Browns fan is somehow trolling is just sad. I could see it if it's an all day, every day scenario but I agree with you guys about 80% of the time. The instant I don't you guys freak out and start throwing around insults. You win.
Well, to be fair, we don't know that he is undervalued in the scouting community...we do know he is being undervalued in the media community.
Just saw this. The idea that a guy who was banned from these message boards for being a troll (at least once, twice maybe?) can pass judgement on other posters is comical.
I believe the pick is Darnold at #1 and NYG trade or take Barkley....Chubb is a 4-3 DE and I believe NYG went to the 3-4
What an awesome moment it would be on draft night if/when Allen and Rudolph are picked at nearly the same spots - say... Allen #15 overall to Arizona and Rudolph #16 overall to Baltimore.
Everyone keeps talking about the offers at #4 for Allen... I believe it could be more like: 1. Baker Mayfield 2. Sam Darnold 3. Josh Rosen 4. **Trade** Bills Mason Rudolph The decision may need to be made if ANYONE is willing to trade up for Allen. If so, they would have to get up to #10 in front of the Dolphins... Or...Allen could go #1 overall to the Browns and I will have to figure out a way to keep my wings and beer down on Thursday night... No one knows, least of all the talking heads who are adamant they know how it's all going down a week and a half away...but it's fun trying to figure it out
That would be interesting, but Mason's stock is so fluid right now that he could end up as high as #11 or fall into the second round.
^^^^^ It's become clear that Baker Mayfield is going to be - barring a major trade from New York Giants in the coming week - at worst the second quarterback selected and a Top 3 pick. The 6'1" height knock on him is irrelevant. If a QB can display the talent Mayfield does - and doesn't come requiring major re-tuning of footwork or mechanics (Darnold, Allen)... why wouldn't you just take him #1? Darnold is a fine prospect, but he's a project and if we're being honest - neither Hue Jackson nor the Cleveland Browns have been any good a developing quarterbacks. Mayfield - and Rosen, although he seems to be out of the discussion these days - come as close to "coach-proof" as possible. They're both very polished in terms of throwing the football.
I think there is definitely a segment out there that thinks this is the most likely scenario, but it still has to hinge on what Cleveland does at the top. Spoiler: READ AT YOUR OWN RISK! There is still a real possibility that the Browns go Josh Allen at #1 and the Giants decide not to trade down and go with Chubb at #2. That makes the Jets decision different than what they may have planned on going into their trade. Darnold is still considered the safest franchise option by many and would likely be the pick at #3. That's when things get interesting for the #4 spot. If the Bills are willing to spend and move up, the pick could very easily be Josh Rosen. Even though he is viewed as a likely slide, Buffalo still has a strong connection to Josh and could easily have a grade on him that is higher than Mayfield. Plus, a GM selling multiple first round picks to move up for a sub 6'1" quarterback will have more scrutiny laid on him then the one that moves up for the perceived prototype. I know that height means nothing to some, but it is still a real consideration by those that get paid to make these decisions that ultimately may decide whether or not they remain employed.
Pretty much common sense. Does a team want a 5th year of a rookie contract for a competent QB and they don't spend the money yet, or do they sign either him or someone else and back up a truck of money (comparatively speaking)?
The leap it would take for a GM who just jettisoned a younger, better prospect (Kizer) to then turn around a select a deeply-flawed project like Allen would be staggering. John Dorsey is also a man who's said nothing of "process" or the "build" - he wants to win the AFC North next season and be competitive (I take that to mean 8-8 and in the playoff hunt) Year 1 (for him). The assumption is that Tyrod Taylor is gone after 2018, so you would be entrusting your 1-31 head coach and "QB guru" with the development of said deeply-flawed prospect with the expectation he be ready to take over in 2019 and out-produce a projected 8-8 (with at least 4-2 in the AFC North). Or in a worst-case scenario (injury) your rookie would need to see the field sooner than later. Sorry, can't buy into that.
Well 8-8 sure isnt winning the division and Allen is a lot better than Kizer....I didnt see Allen getting benched for a career college backup in Zaire
Only a little over a week to argue / piss and moan over who we will pick, then we get to argue / piss and moan about who we actually picked. Exciting times. The only thing I "know for sure" is we will improve the team. QB would be my top priority, but I'm sure there are those who would argue that we already have improved the position with both the guys we already brought in, and we could draft two guys in round 1 that would have "immediate impact" this year, and pick what is clearly going to be a developmental QB later. The Browns QB situation now has a "middle to upper middle QB" and a back up who has done well in that limited role. We are already poised to "win this year", having made those moves. What if Taylor and the "new ammo drafted" start the season winning? What if Taylor & co. put us in contention? Would having the best DE tandem make a difference? Would that coupled with the "franchise RB" make a difference? Ahhhh.... It's a week and a few days from draft day, and the imagination runs wild. Get a QB. Get the one you want, and get the impact guy for this year at #4, then make the moves or the next couple picks work and "let's go"
We have to be conscious of expectations in 2018. I know Dorsey says he wants to win NOW...so do I...But we have a LOT of changes coming and with change comes a learning curve. While I could see them winning 8 games just with the moves they made and bringing in a OC, my expectations are closer to a team that will take the beginning of the year to learn their offense and their identity. So, it will lean heavily on the defense to keep them in games and win with special teams early on. If they can somehow win 4 of their first 8 games, then I think they will be poised to push for an 8-8 year, this year...but I also think 4 wins in the first 8 games is a tall order with as many changes as were made.
Gregggggggg Williams needs to tighten up his side of the ball. There'll be a learning curve with Haley's offense, but we've got a very good veteran QB to lead this team in 2018. I contended all season long that a similar presence would have had the Browns at or above .500. No reason - other than bad schedule - to think that it's impossible for next year, too. If the schedule falls our way and we get the toughest games up front to iron out the learning curves, they could surprise in the back-half of the year. Not making predictions yet... lot of ground to cover, but I see no reason to think we're anywhere close to 1-15 or 0-16 like we've seen the last two seasons.
