Jordan Palmer, little brother of Carson Palmer, is training both Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. He said of the latter: "He can be as good as Carson." Great... Carson Palmer's *best* season (his third): 67.8% comp., 3,836 yards, 32 TD, 12 INT, 7.5 YPA, 101.1 QB rating He had another very good season nine years later (his 12th in the league). 63.7% comp., 4,671 yards, 35 TD, 11 INT, 8.7 YPA, 104.6 QB rating Andy Dalton's third season as a Bengal: 61.9% comp., 4,293 yards, 33 TD, 20 INT, 7.3 YPA, 88.8 QB rating Andy Dalton's best season (two years later, cut short by three games): 66.1% comp., 3,250 yards, 25 TD, 7 INT, 8.4 YPA, 106.2 QB rating 16-Game Projection: 66.1% comp., 4,000 yards, 31 TD, 9 INT, 8.4 YPA, 106.2 QB rating
The last thing I'm gonna do is trash Baker. They can both be great. But if I had my choice I'd take the guy with the higher ceiling. Just my opinion.
If I believed that, I would be all over him...unfortunately, I think the sewer is closer to his floor than Matt Stafford...But at the same time, he does have the physical tools to soar past Stafford. His downside far outweighs his upside in my opinion.
I guess my question for everyone is, where are you putting Mayfield's ceiling? For that matter, why does he have a ceiling at all? He has exceeded every level he has ever played in and has yet to plateau in any season of his career. He has NEVER gone backwards, he has improved every year he has played, despite moving up in competition 3 times over that career and never missing a beat. So, this is a sincere question, why and what do you all see as Mayfield's ceiling given the facts of his career thus far?
I'm not going to say his ceiling is Brees or Dangerussel Wilson, but I would say it is top half of the league, able to elevate the play of those around him while not being system/scheme dependent. Allen might have a high ceiling, but at some point these "REAL NFL GUYS" have to stop salivating and check their egos at the door. You can only do so much with a guy, and there are so many other factors than just a coach being able to coach him up. Philly did it right with Wentz, but I believe that only happened because they had 3 QBs on their coaching staff that had the experience to truly know what it would take. For every Wentz you have a hundred guys with the tools that couldn't make it happen. The adage has always been that your accuracy is not going to improve going into the NFL...(apparently) unless you're 6'5 230 lbs, are agile, and the ball explodes out of your hand, and you give coaches and GMs with unchecked egos a hard on when you walk on the field in shorts. Hell, on pro-days there should only be 1-2 incomplete passes. Allen had 5 misses. AGAINST AIR. Back to Baker, we have all pretty much been saying, if they identify their QB they need to take him at 1 NO MATTER WHO. I agree. I think the GM believes this too, and it is the staff's actions that point to it being Baker. 1. We just traded #65 for Tyrod Taylor who is essentially a Baker clone. This tells us that Dorsey doesn't give 2 F's about a prototype sized qb, and that it would mean not having to have 2 different sets of plays taking Baker (like we had with Kizer and Kessler) 2. Baker is THE ONLY qb that checks all of Dorsey's boxes for a QB. (see 1 in regards to height) 3. While unemployed, Dorsey went to see Baker 6 x. I have yet to see a report where he viewed any other prospect as much. To me, I would view that as he was either trying to convince himself that Baker could not make it, or he just loves him some Baefield (possibly both). 4. New consultant Scott Mcspellcheck gushed about Baker before coming on board.
Am I the only one that looks to see how long @IrishDawg42 ’s posts are before deciding if I’m going to read them?
If the Browns select Mayfield...we can all say that’s why their the Browns....NOBODY is taking a 6 ft QB #1 overall...that’s like taking a 5’9 180 lb RB #1
So we should just become the first team in history to not pick at #1...because NONE of the QBs check every box...Mayfield comes the closest.
Or you could be the Broncos, Jaguars, Ravens or Seahawks who have never picked #1 ever. But I get your point and it's a valid one that made their point silly, regardless of if Baker is the guy or not.
Just for those stat geeks... It is said a QBs completion percentage doesn't go up from college to pro, but I will point out Drew Brees was a 61.1% completions in college. In the Pros he became a 66.9% completion. Quite a rise IMHO.
I could be mistaken since it was well before my time but I believe the same was for Len Dawson and Gary Danielson(less notable) and even Kyle Orton to a smaller extent (lol).
I'm sure there are quite a few through history. I think coaching matters and the talent around the QB.
