Ha, well not to spoil the image varder, but i don't hate Prince, i just think he brings little to the table and an opportunity was missed re other players. I def didn't scream about him during the season, i doubt anyone has ever had such a strong reaction to Prince. He reminds me of Condolizza Rice speaking at the UN; you know they were there cos you saw them. And yeah they kinda did their jobs, but you could never recall a single memorable moment and there isn't even the added bonus of them being easy on the eye. Running my own business taught me fast that every penny you give up in a deal is money out of your own pocket. I probably apply that a little too much too Bears deal-making tbh, but with the Bears every penny overspent on a player is less money to spend on the next guy. The Bears still need a lot of guys. 2mil on Prince, 2mil on Burton, 2mil on Gabriel... they add up quick, that 6mil right there is a 2nd tier salary on another player at a lot of positions. Speaking of which, Unrein has gone to the Bucs. That stings a bit, he was useful. Another hole to fill and dwindling resources to do it.
LOL yes....now we can put Hoyer where he belongs, ol' Yeller style. The contract is what it is, you pointed out Robinson is a nickel/slot guy and Amukamara plays the outside. Agree to disagree. At the end of the day, its not our money, and if he sucks, I'm not going to defend him. I assume Pace likes Roy Robertson-Harris that much more? I believe he had trouble staying healthy last year, didn't he? If not, Bennie Logan, Dontari Poe (NT, not a 5 tech), Dominique Easley, SHeldon Richardson, and Nick Fairley are still out there. Logan is the only one that interests me, although if Pace is going for youth, Jay Bromley just turned 26, though the Giants ran a 3-4. He's the size for a 5 tech a 6'3, 310. If Richardson were that good/coveted, why would Seattle drop a 2nd rounder and Jermaine Kearse just to let him walk into the offseason as a rental?
Pardon my ignorance please, but who the fuck is that? Don’t you have to be a known commodity, or at least a has-been or one year wonder, to get a “prove it” deal?
Former DE for the 49'ers, draft pick out of South Florida about 4 years ago. I don't think he has a notable pass rush ceiling, but he can be a solid dual threat outside, if his first two years in the league are any indication. The problem? His next two years were not good. The bright side? His first two years were with Fangio. So, hopefully, we see that Aaron Lynch on the field.
He was great under Fangio in San Francisco, put up Willie Young-type production, so that there's potential for that at a lesser price than Willie Young's 4.5 mil salary, I'm interested in. Its also more than what was on the roster at edge yesterday, so its addition by......addition. I think he's good enough to be 3/4 in the edge rotation. I want another playmaker to go with Floyd, ultimately. And with the mix of good luck with the top 8, some quarterbacks and a running back will be gone; but bad luck because the teams because of a bullshit tiebreaker rule. Bradley Chubb could have been a bear, and I think he's going to be outstanding wherever he goes. Right now, that's the best pass rusher in free agency or the draft. He'd be the guy I'd pay to trade up for, but Ryan Pace would be an idiot for doing it with all the holes still remaining he's caused and 7 draft picks going into next month. Lynch is a gamble to rebound. If he sucks because he continues to not be able to stay on the field, he's gone anyways and we have ammo to use when being realistic in grading Pace. Another strikeout. Pace can't afford it, not at what's the most necessary thing on a defense.....getting after the quarterback. That's what's going to flip the turnover differential, and that's how bad teams become good teams. Now if he works? He's 26 years old I'm pretty sure he'd be here for a while if he works out.
I just did a quick read at the office, but Chicago should be able to match the offer (not sure what it is), if they want. Either way, fuck the Packers. Either they just jacked the price up for Chicago, or they get Fuller and we get nothing. Can we bring that old management back? Those dumb fucks would've never had the balls for this. Pace tried to get cute with the transition tag.
I thought Pace did the right thing with the transition tag. Gotta see where the offer is....Bears have the cap room.
Those sons of bitches. Are the trying the old poison pill? Whatever those pieces of shit are offering him it surely can't be front loaded, they don't have the firepower. My guess is whatever the can afford to barely get inside the CAP this year, then a huge jump in pay year 2 triggered on whatever the 2nd/3rd day of the league season 2019. If they built in an out then they may be able to void with a manageable dead CAP hit next year if Fuller didn't work out for them. They would afterall still have the added bonus of fucking over their biggest rival. If its a stupid big deal then let him go. Pack can take their chances on CB with 1 year of production, i hope they skewer themselves. We draft CB #8. Or Honey Badger?
ALso, those who've known me long enough know i'm never above eating crow when its due to me. I'm starting to feel slightly more ok with them resigning Prince now
I'm not sure......After cutting Jordy, they stood at 29 mil in cap space after I checked overthecap.com. Graham is 11 mil per year this year and next year, 8 mil final year of his 3 year deal, 30 million deal. Wilkerson is 5 mil that can go to 8 mil with incentives in 2018. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/ They also signed a couple small contract/try out guys. That would mean have roughly 13 million in cap space left, a draft, other free agents, and extending Aaron Rodgers, and unknown numbers on Fuller's offer. If this isn't a "troll move," expect Clay (11 million saved,) Cobb (9 mil cap relief with 3.2 mil dead cap, so 5 and change saved), or someone else to get cut. They have a surprising amount of guaranteed money owed. If its absurd, see ya, Kyle Fuller. But curious nonetheless, the Packer's aren't in a position to frontload the deal.
Kevin Pierre-Lewis at Halas Hall today. News just broke, no deal announced. He'd be ILB depth. Edit* per Brad Biggs, Pierre-Louis left the Jets without a deal this morning
Jesus. 4 year, 56 million for Kyle Fuller. Bears matched it. 18 million guaranteed. So they paid him the amount of the franchise tag per year. Low guaranteed money. There's an out, at least. He gets paid 1 mil more per year than he would have on the transition tag. I think the Packers did the bears a solid more than a disservice here.....
Maybe I'm just old and not aware of how much money is getting tossed around the league, but this sounds ridiculous to me... He finally had a decent, not great, year, but he's now one of the highest paid CBs in the league.
Oh the money is more than he should be getting, but it could also be significantly worse. He was getting 12 and change mil per year because of the transition tag. That the packers only went up by like....just over 1 mil than that at 14 mil per year, it could have been a lot worse. If the Packers were going to screw the bears in this, why not absurdly frontload it or backload it? Or make way more than 18 mil of it, about 33% of the contract guaranteed? Malcolm Butler wasn't spectacular last year, superbowl controversial benching aside. Some think he's trending down, and he's making 15 mil per year with more guaranteed money. Trumaine Johnson is 20 mil against the Jets' cap this year with his signing bonus. 14 next year to be at the 34 mil guaranteed the first 2 years of his deal. But its a deal like Glennon signed, if he sucks in 2018, the bears have a soft-ish out after the first year. 14 of his 18 guaranteed mil is paid, or if he plays just good enough to keep into 2019, and he plays both seasons, his guaranteed money is done. He can be a cap casualty if he's bad, of if a CB taken high this year or next in the draft establishes himself. Again, he's not better than Patrick Peterson, but with inflation of contracts and salary cap steadily rising every year, this is bound to happen. I remember a couple of years ago we were talking about the salary cap on these boards being in the 150s. That's because in 2016 it was 155 million team salary cap. Going into 2018, the cap is set at 177.2 million. Overpaying someone undeserving is bound to happen, and a one year deal if the worst happens with Fuller and he regresses is a lot more palatable than if he would have gotten what Johnson or Butler got.
Oh me too! In fact, I have to wonder what the point of all that was, I mean surely the Packers didn't think they would get away with that? Pace had already stated publically that he would match any offer. The crucial thing in these deals is the guaranteed $, and im thrilled Fuller's is only $18mil. As pat says, that's like 33%. Players typically aim for 50% and in demand players or Prince get well above that. Johnson and Butler are both getting around $33-34mil guaranteed, that's a number where you're on a serious hook for multiple years and aint nothing you can do about it. Most of Fuller's is gone in year 1. This has actually worked out pretty well for the Bears. The Packers did all the leg work and the Bears ended up with a contract they can live with while retaining a player they didn't want to lose.
