Ravens offseason and draft thread

Ryan Grant gets a 4yr deal with over 14 million guaranteed from us? WTH are Ozzie and Eric doing. This guy? Seriously? smh.... Granted it is a WR and along with "Michael Campanaro #2" John Brown on a 1 yr deal..... Our WR are STILL complete and utter garbage.



Career stats for Mr. Grant - Age 27 6ft 204lbs.....

TOTAL Rec 84 Yards 985 YPC 11.7 Long Catch 40 Total TD's 6


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The deal contains $14.5 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus. This is a real head-scratcher and reeks of desperation from GM Ozzie Newsome, who promised to overhaul the receiving corps, only to whiff on every other big name available. Grant, entering his age-28 year, came into 2017 with 39 career catches for 412 yards and two scores before "breaking out" for a 45-573-4 line last season. He's the new default No. 1 receiver in Baltimore.



This probably seals Maclin's fate though and he should be getting released soon.

 

I signed on just to see if I had missed something about this signing. Ravens are a god damn joke. Absolutely pathetic.

 

Bite your tongue! But you're probably right.

 

Campanaro is a FA who other teams are said to be interested in.

 

You have to crack up at the Ravens grabbing and throwing big money at Ryan Grant. If they were a team that could find a talent and get them to use those talents in their system better like the Patriots with a Wes Weller or Hogan, then sure, give them the benefit of the doubt. Come on though, Grant? Haha how does this team think it's going to turn him into something incredible when they haven't done it to anyone ever (except Torrey Smith?).

I'm cool with John Brown though. Not sure he is an outdoors kind of WR or not.

So now we assume Lewis at RT and Hurst at LG? you don't pay Hurst that to ride the bench.

 

My assumption is they grabbed Grant because he has decent hands and stays healthy, the latter being a very rare trait among Ravens WRs as of late. If Brown stays healthy, it'll be a good signing imo. If he doesn't, everyone will get their chance to complain and say good bye to Ozzie (since he's gone anyway after this year).

The signings don't really surprise me, to be honest. The contracts do.

 

It seems that the FO is bound an determined to keep the team in salary cap hell for years signing average receivers to over-inflated deals. With Jordy Nelson out there they could've easily waited another 24 hours. Get ready for another year of garbage offense.

And here I thought the worst news of the day was Stephen Hawking's death.

 

I like Grant more than most so I was glad we targeted him but clearly overpaid. I love his work ethic, hands and attitude but that is way overkill. I do recall seeing some articles last year that he was on the field for the Skins because he was just better than Doctson and Pryor at the end of the season, so that is promising. It is possible we snagged a budding star but the odds are unlikely that he will make the jump as completely as the contract is predicting. I do love his hands and am looking forward to a reliable guy as opposed to our stone handsed crew....

The John Brown signing is meh at best. It is a one year prove it, but his health issues seemed to be far more serious than they let on. I hope this works and could be a nice signing if everything goes perfectly, which as you know, in the Ravens case, is rare with a receiver.

Both are a reach and will be great if best case works but will likely be mediocre at best.

 

what i meant is John Brown and Camp both are hamstring prone injury waiting to happen. They both have talent but their legs are their weakness and as you know for a WR, the legs are almost everything. Big risk taken in this signing, thankfully it is just a 1 year deal.

 

I really have no problem with Grant ass a player normally, but the deal makes him a defacto #1 here. He was a 5th round pick with 4.64 speed and a limited skill set for a deal that will keep us in cap hell for about 3 years if he proves he's not worth it. Antonio Brown and Stefon Diggs were also 5th round picks (for different reasons), but I don't see Grant with the same ability as Diggs or professional improvement as Brown. TERRIBLE contract which will only further tarnish Ozzie's rep as a GM. He just stayed in his position for too long.

 

Mason with a 4th round guy with 4.6 speed too. I've expressed hope every year that the Ravens would draft a true #1 WR (and will do so again this year for some insane reason), but Grant is a good pickup. Over the past few years, the WRs have consisted of guys with no heart (Maclin), injury prone (Maclin, Perriman, Campanero), bad route running (Torrey, Perriman, or no hands (Perriman especially). Grant doesn't have any of those issues. He's a hard worker, who stays heathy (knock on wood), runs good routes, and can catch. The contract is higher than I would have guessed, but in 3 years time if we can say that during his time here, he was a hard worker, who stayed healthy, ran good routes, and caught the ball well, then he'll have been well worth the contract imo

And I doubt he ends up the #1 to start the season but if he does, well, he can't be worse than any of the WRs we had last season (sans Wallace) or all the 2013 WRs

 

I tend to agree with this and really, we need to start gathering FOOTBALL players. Mason is the consummate example of this. We need guys who just know how to be receivers. I don't need a track star, or a physical freak. I need a guy who can catch the damned ball and move the chains. I need a guy who knows how to separate and find the open zone or the soft spot where no one is. All accounts are that Grant is that. I will give some deference to the FO in that they are professional evaluators who have forgotten more about football than I will ever know. I hope they hit on this one.

We had not really mentioned DeVier Posey. Is he even worth mentioning? I know we signed him a while back but I assume with him in the mix that Wallace and Maclin are now as good as gone.

 

But do we want another Mason or do we want an AB, AJ Green, or Gordon/Landry? Even Jordy Nelson gets us closer to the skill player race. And even without the red flags you mentioned, Grant doesn't have the body of work behind him to justify that contract. Nelson would've. Amendola ended up a great value deal for the Fins. And if the deal reflects speculation that he's on the cusp of a breaking out then the deal is all wrong for that. Where's the incentive money?

I really hope I'm wrong and most fans and pundits think this was a bad deal. It's not the player so much as th money spent on him.

 

Not disagreeing on the money part as much, but if you had a chance to snag a Derrick Mason a few years sooner, would you have been up for that? That is a bit of stretch to compare them, but let's say he is that type of player. Would that be worth 29 mill over the 4 years? I look at it this way. If we are going to try to get an AJ or AB player then we will have to draft them. No one is giving up on that type of player and they are not hitting free agency, and even if they are we are not paying the premium for them. I am happy signing old reliable and knowing I have that in my back pocket and then drafting for the home run.

I think that is the only way we ever get that type of dominant receiver is to gamble and draft one. Is that Ridley or Sutton or DJ Moore? Who knows but I guess we will have the opportunity to take that shot.

 

Maclin cut

 

Well, Mason has as many superbowl appearances as AB, AJ Green, Gordon, and Landry combined.......1. And none of them have a ring. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have that true dominant #1 WR on the team also, my posting history can confirm, but unless it's through the draft, it might not be worth when you can get multiple decent WRs who do their job for the same price. Hell, outside of Brown on that list, none of those elite WRs even have a playoff win.

Jordy Nelson sure looked bad without Rodgers, aka potentially the best pure passer in NFL history, throwing to him. At this stage in his career, how much more does he really offer over Grant? Both good route runners with good hands, who work hard. At this point, I'm hoping the Ravens add Sutton in the draft. If they do, Grant as the #2 and Brown as the #3 won't look bad at all, pending they stay healthy

 

About time

 

Your talking about Jordy Nelson without Rogers, go check out AB’s stats without Ben. Both great WRs but they need a descent QB to play at an all-pro level.

 

I fully agree in most cases. It's rare to see a WR dominate no matter the QB he has. Moss pulling off 1k yards in Oakland, in 2006 if I recall, was insane. People said he was slacking that whole year, yet still pulled in around 33% of the passing yardage anyway. Then there's Calvin Johnson before Matthew Stafford. I think one year he had Dante Culpepper, Drew Stanton, and Dan Orlovsky throwing to him and still didn't miss a beat.

I just don't have high hopes for Jordy Nelson to go from Rodgers to Flacco and still perform at a comparable level. That's a real long shot to me

 

The Lions just released Eric Ebron. Is he a guy that you all would want as a difference maker at tight end? I think he is a mismatch and could be a good get. I think he was immature early on and was really starting to come on a bit. I never understood the first round selection, but as a cut player he would fill a valuable role and not be as expensive.

I would, based on his asking price, take a shot with him. He is a better receiving threat than else we have.