Exactly. He was QB1 going into the Combine and the top prospect. Didn't do anything to hurt that, did exactly what was expected - dominated. I'm also so, so glad more GM's don't use the Combine the same way you do - "who generated the most buzz!? Ignore years of film, interviews, and production metrics... gimme the guy who flashed the most in shorts."
It does for you, and I'm not looking to argue so before I go into this just remember that this is my evaluation of Baker. I'm not attacking or slamming anyone's opinion when I disagree with them. I'm simply giving mine for discussion. I don't agree on Mayfield's downfield accuracy in regards to consistency or readily available ability. That's not based on the combine. That opinion is already reflected in my scoring on his profile. He has better flat trajectory arm strength in the intermediate and short, specifically in the middle. I mentioned it in passing prior but I'm not a fan of his touch to arc on anything deep and outside the hashes. I'm not saying he can't do it, but I don't see the same level of consistency as I do on his underneath passes. I know what the PFF stats say but there's a reason we stopped using them prior to 2012. They have inherit bias in the system which is something that we worked very hard to remove from our scouting early on and it's something that I continue to try and find ways to further remove every season. Darnold, Allen and Rosen all have more velocity to throw outside the hashes and to the deep quarters than Mayfield and Jackson's accuracy issues are more pronounced than Allen's. I could be 100% wrong on what Hue is thinking but based on what the Brown's tried to do on offense last year with Kizer and the fact that he went with DeShone (in an extremely stubborn fashion) to work that type of game would lend more towards the players that I listed being the top of his board.
Plenty of DBs physical enough as he doesnt have the experience of dealing w press coverage....DBs can be overly aggressive w him at the LOS since 4.55 doesnt scare them so they can have catch up speed....playing every down on the outside vs the best in the business is a far cry from matching up vs a SS or LB in college...good luck beating Ramsey, Rhodes, Lattimore, Jimmy Smith etc
Plenty of DBs physical enough as he doesnt have the experience of dealing w press coverage....DBs can be overly aggressive w him at the LOS since 4.55 doesnt scare them so they can have catch up speed....playing every down on the outside vs the best in the business is a far cry from matching up vs a SS or LB in college...good luck beating Ramsey, Rhodes, Lattimore, Jimmy Smith etc
I agree w you on the combine, but w QBs its different than seeing how high you can jump....your throwing a ball to a moving target than usually you have no chemistry w at all...Mayfield definitely didnt dominate like you say....he made a WR almost stop on his deep ball and threw behind a couple of WRs on the out route...pick 6 waiting to happen...miss away(sidelines) not behind is the rule
So, since he's a flop now you'll say you hated him, but Gesicki is more physically dominant than your boy Kelvin Benjamin out of FSU. When healthy, and even with a QB you don't think very highly of at all, Benjamin was a terrific receiver. If these TE's are being knocked for not wanting to block, fine... make them wide receivers. I'll never say no to a 6'5" 247 pound receiver who runs a 4.5 forty-time, huge hands, graceful pass-catcher who's also more explosive than most of the running backs. Mike Gesicki | Dalvin Cook 40: 4.54s | 4.49s Vertical: 41 1/2 | 30 1/2 Broad Jump: 129 | 116 3-Cone: 6.76s | 7.27s 20-Yard Shuttle: 4.1s | 4.53s Height: 6'5 1/2" | 5'10" Weight: 247 | 210
The kid from U.C.L.A. was one that I had already moved to WR before he decided to go back to school. So long as the college game continues to crank out TEs that have the responsibility and physical attributes of WRs, I'm in agreement that some of these guys can make the transition at the next level. EDIT: Caleb Wilson is the player I was referring to.
Great Cook dominated as a college RB....Gesicki didnt even dominate as a TE let alone WR...57 rec...Cook had 33 and about 100 yds less
#SMD Perhaps because Cook was the focal point of his offense while Gesicki was busy catching passes from Trace McSorely?
I'm not suggesting you're wrong. I (somewhat cynically) might say that since Darnold is essentially the same prospect as Kizer was and Allen is as bad at playing QB as Kizer is that they'd naturally be the top two picks. Hue will tell us who he prefers now and then change that 2-3 times over the next 18 months.
You have to get over the fact that their college career is over....they have moved on and so did the GMs...its all about projection at the NFL
AJ McCarron likely will handle the QB duties next yr if Hue has a say...what can he possibly see in that guy?
MMQB's Peter King reports Browns coach Hue Jackson’s "preference" is signing A.J. McCarron in free agency in addition to spending an early pick on a quarterback. Jackson said last week he does not want to start a rookie quarterback in Week 1, and it makes sense he would be targeting McCarron in free agency after he pushed to trade for him at the deadline last season. Seemingly out of the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes, it looks likely the Browns head into the 2018 season with McCarron and a rookie atop the depth chart.
I agree on the out pattern as a "general rule", but it was only one ball to the right and one to the left. The announcers at one point also made note of the coach running the drills stepping in and asking QBs to do things as if they were reading the coverage. Now, I don't know what the hell the coach said to Mayfield at any point of this workout, this is ONLY speculation on my part here..but we really don't know where that coach placed the coverage on each of these throws. They are supposed to be put in situations and place the ball accordingly. It does seem likely to me though that a coach would use the situation of a DB pressing the outside of the receiver all game, so read the DB and make a throw. On both of those throws, they were waist high on the hip, not behind the receiver, where only the receiver would be able to catch it and make an inside move to go up field. Again, I am ONLY speculating, maybe they were just bad throws, but what the announcers said earlier in the day about the drill coach giving them scenarios makes sense. On the "under thrown" route..Watch the receiver...Every receiver running the route consistently turned their head about 25 yards into the route, making it much easier to adjust to the throw trajectory. This receiver doesn't turn his head until the last minute nearly 35 yards down field and he CERTAINLY didn't almost come to a stop, he merely slowed down to make the catch, he didn't have to turn backwards or anything like you see on an under throw. This was an overly critical remark on your part...and again...if the "read" was a safety playing the top of the route, the adjustment is typically a shorter thrown ball so that the receiver can react to the ball. We don't know what the coach asked for though...It may have simply been a ball thrown short... Here's a highlight of his throws on the day, and you can see the coach stepping in and asking him to do different things on different throws... AND by the way, at the end you hear him being praised by both announcers as the QB who did the most for their stock behind Josh Allen...Also stated, he did exactly what everyone expected him to do, which was be the most consistently accurate passer of the group. I can't embed the video for some reason, here is the link: http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=/video...er-Mayfield-2018-NFL-Scouting-Combine-workout
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