Depends on the target and the asking price. Browns have the most draft capital by a mile, but if you exclude #1, #4, and #33... you're left with 1,368.6 in value, good enough for probably #9 - assuming the team doesn't mind voiding themselves of the first round and future picks. #1, #4, #9, and #33 only to continue the rebuild? We'd have to hit free agency pretty hard, too, because while those are going to be blue chip players, you still have some depth to add. Guys like Kai Nacua, Carl Nassib, and James Burgess saw extensive action in 2017 - those are great pieces to have in depth/rotation, but cant be relied up in case of injury. #1 - Baker Mayfield #4 - Minkah Fitzpatrick #9 - Roquan Smith #33 - Jamarco Jones ... something like that you walk away from Draft night, knowing you had to have replenished depth and a few key positions (running back and wide receiver, chiefly among them) in free agency. Personally, I take the bevvy of picks still, but because mostly - as I alluded to earlier - I love a lot of the guys in the 15 - 25 range and very few of the 1 - 5 guys. I'd rather flip it around. Keep #1, trade out of #4 - down to the low teens, then trade back up with #35 and #64 (worth #21) and get more of those mid-first round guys. #1 - Baker Mayfield At #15, you pick from guys like Guice, Calvin Ridley, possibly Denzel Ward, or Connor Williams. At #21, Josh Jackson, Marcus Davenport, or Mike McGlinchey to fill needs with value players. At #33, you're taking best player available - ideally at a position of need. At #47 (from the move back) you again grab your BPA at a need spot. Walk away Day 2 with something like... QB - Baker Mayfield RB - Derrius Guice OT - Connor Williams WR - D.J. Moore CB - Jaire Alexander I'd feel pretty darn good about that.
No offense but I think if a team was getting the Browns' future 1st I'd value it at 1500. But hey it works out better for you.
This goes doubly for me because, while Chubb and Fitzpatrick have the look of great NFL players, our defense isn't as far behind as our offense - nor does it have as many holes. Additionally, we can fix a TON of those with some free agency spending. I'd target Malcolm Butler and DeMarcus Lawrence (swing for the fences, why not) with my "Kirk Cousins" pool of money. Add another cornerback like Kyle Fuller, or swing big again and try to lure Joyner away from the Rams and you've not only patched the holes in your defense, you've added premier players who come NFL-ready and don't have the struggle of a learning curve. Then I spend my draft offensively and let that unit grow together and be part of that "nucleus" teams talk about. The reality of it is, by 2020, every player on our team today will be 3-4 years of NFL experience with almost no veterans (and it's not like we were brimming with them before). Add some pricey vets now while you've got the space and this team should be set for a 4-7 year window beginning 2019.
You're not wrong. A team getting a future first from Cleveland has to view that as a Top 5 pick. We ever get out of the gutter and maybe we can shake that.
I know it's a rule of thumb to offer a round less value for the future but the same can't apply for expectedly high 1st round picks. It doesn't mean a top 5 pick but #7 is 1500 and as a team trading for it I'd like my chances to get there or higher. It's a lottery ticket that is worth having a higher value on, even if it is a few spots worse.
Why wuld U take Barkley and Guice, Michel or Jones...btw u have 6-8 guys on that list that won't sniff pick #33 lol
That gives me a running game like the Eagles have... If all of the other players at other positions are already gone. That doesn't mean if 8 of those players are left and two of them are running backs I'm taking a running back. That is my list that gets me to around 35 of the draft of players I believe will start coming off the board at the middle of the first round.
What bout that stud Duke? If I had to guess you would be picking from R Jones, Hurst, Koltman, Oliver, O Neil, Miller and Kirk...Hurst is a 4-3 guy so that limits his options
Philly uses a three headed monster, right now Duke is ALL we have. If that's my list, I'm pairing either Kirk or Miller to form a rookie offensive for the future. Depends on free agency actually, if I land Landry, then I am going for Kolton Miller to replace Joe.
The video we've all been waiting for (even if you didn't know it): Last year, James' best was Deshaun Watson. Watson's score was 94.03.
The Browns' draft doesn't start until pick #4. And the discussion around that now should be do we trade down? Matt Miller is reporting Cleveland would be interested in moving down from that pick. At this point, we really need to hope Kirk Cousins signs with Jacksonville or Minnesota - leaving the Jets and Cardinals as potential teams to jump Denver (#5) to select their QB.
^^^^^^ If for some reason the Browns pass on Mayfield at #1, not only should we fire them all (and yes, @Lyman, the hashtag game will be strong) but we'll all be saying that in 2022. "Man, I wish he was my quarterback for the last four years."
Before someone (@showstopper) throws it out there, Kessler regressed 2014 to 2015. Mayfield improved every season. Moreover, after watching a QB post a 60.5 QB rating, I'd happily take Kessler's 92.5 from 2016 every day of the week - and twice on Sunday's. Hue Jackson and/or concussions ruined Kessler. I'd even give you the argument of scheme fit (coach who loves deep throws versus guy who's "limited" to short/intermediate passing). Regardless, Mayfield is bae.
You understand he still threw for 287 on 65.7% completion and only had 2 more incompletions in that fabled 2nd half than in the first. TCU's D was a really good D this year, tOSU was a top tier D this year, and he shredded them. Hell, Texas was near the top in defensive efficiency. The Big 12 did a lot this year in terms of fending off the "No D" narrative. You're like the Cowboys fans that I had to deal with in East Texas that would blame Romo for his INT at the end of the game when he put up 40+ pts, 400+ yds, and 3+ TDs.
