2018 General Managers Discussion Thread

I think Sashi Brown got old boys bullied out. Young guy vs the older guy that thinks he is too ambitious. The management/ownership will trust the older guy and not the 40 year old. I'm very confident there was some bias in age/experience involved. Although the experience part is valid.

 

We're in agreement there, and the experience factor is the reason why someone should have been involved that had tenure. If you look at it from the point of the empty cupboard when Sashi arrived to the pantry of goods he acquired, I think he acquitted himself well.

It's just interesting to me because I can see some real value in what they were working towards. Now, Dorsey will get a crack at investing that capital but keeping Sashi on would have given them a chance to continue increasing it while acquiring a better level of talent.

 

Ageist

 

I was going to type that but had to say the experience part. As some said, they don't think Sashi understands the vet dynamic and such. Valid, but I think it was using a valid point in a mostly inapplicable situation just to screw him.

 

The problem is, I think Paul DePodesta was using analytics to give the best value decision to Haslem/Brown. Sashi Browns was using analytics to pick talent. Analytically speaking, it may have made more sense to let all of your veterans go, with their downward trend and high pay...but the upward trend on the young talent 1) still wasn't at the dilapidated state of the vets that he cut and 2) had a ceiling much lower than the veterans peak. So, they could do more on instinct than many of their replacements will be able to do when they mature.

So, I don't know that you will see the trade down theory disappear completely. I think they will continue to try to get the best value for every pick in the draft, whether they make a pick or trade up/down for a pick. I believe that will be DePodesta's role. Choosing which players are essential gets will be Dorsey's role and if a player is a must get, then the value chart will be set aside in order to take a guy at their current pick, in the past I believe the trade down would have been made no matter what.

 

Kessler played real football at a very respectable level in 2016 with a god awful offensive line. He was never give a real shot to show what he could do last year. 3rd QBs don't even get reps during the week. Anyone saying Hogan was "outplaying" him was working off an incredibly small sample size.

 

Interesting.

This goes against what I remember viewing early on in that front office's tenure. I had the impression that Podesta and Sashi were in lock step with making decisions based on value, which is why I didn't understand the point in separating the two without adding the other element first.

IMO it came down to Hue wanting more control and Haslam granting it, which is why I am skeptical about how the hiring of Dorsey will change things until Hue is removed from the equation.

 

The 2016 line wasn't exactly god awful, but the additions of Zeitler and Tretter certainly improved the line. Any time you have Joe Thomas and Joel Bintonio protecting your blind side, you don't have a god awful line...Now, when injuries occurred, they certainly got worse and losing Thomas did the same in 2017.

This is the NFL beach. They were all given the reps in OTAs and training camp. Hogan outplayed Kessler during that time period. You don't simply state, "well, Kessler played pretty well last year, it doesn't mean much that he's playing like shit now, let's start him." You have a time period to make your mark and when that mark is littered with negatives, you get demoted. That is what happened to Kessler this year.

I truly believe Brown EXPECTED Kessler to improve from 2016, thus enabling Kizer to sit and learn for a year...However, Kessler came into camp and looked terrible from all accounts.

 

I don't believe Hue had much say with Sashi there, and I think he will have very little say now that Dorsey is there, so little changes. I do believe Dorsey will take more of the coaching evaluations into consideration than Sashi did. I think Sashi relied a LOT on the analytical numbers of a player. While analytics will remain in the forefront with DePodesta remaining, I think Dorsey will have an opportunity to over-ride some of those numbers.

 

I like Josh Allen, Deshone Kizer, and AJ McCarron. A high floor bridge QB and two high upside QBs with different skill sets, one farther along than the other.

 

So how is RFA working with tenders?

 

Any current restricted free agent you have, you must decide whether not to tender him (making him UFA), or whether to give him a 1st round tender ($4.5 million), 2nd round tender ($2.7 million), or original round tender ($1.9 million)

Those aren't exact numbers, but close enough to explain it to you. Exact numbers on front page of the RFA/ERFA thread.

I'll edit exact figures in in a few minutes.

2018 Projected RFA Tenders
Type - Amount
First Round - $4,426,032
Second Round - $2,927,236
Original Round - $1,915,602

Next list is for ERFA's you wish to tender, based on their accrued seasons in league (6+ games equals an accrued season
Veteran Minimums
0 - $480,000
1 - $555,000
2 - $630,000
3 - $705,000
4-6 - $790,000
7-9 - $915,000
10+ - $1,015,000

 

The tender numbers should be in the opening post of that thread.

 

So after the tender how does signing him work

 

1. February 13, 8am: Tender deadline. Free Agency Opens (Teams that had a tendered player sign an offer sheet have up to 3 days to match before forfeiting the player and receiving compensation, if any)
   
2. February 20, 8am: Tendered players not offered a contract sign their tenders

 

They are automatically signed, then they become "free agents" only, at the end of the day, after the winner "signs" him to an offer sheet, either you match it and he is yours, or you get compensated per his tender.

 

If someone makes an offer on your RFA you will have 3 days from the time of the offer to match or else you get the compensation for the player.

 

Correction. It's no the time of the offer but the time of the "winning offersheet". Multiple teams can offer an RFA and the winner gets the offersheet in the same way they are awarded a FA. Then the tendering team gets 3 days to match.

 

Whatever he said.

 

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