What's next for Metoo#

Discussion in 'Opinion' started by Jeanquev, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    BWW, I drink alcohol too, but would gladly live without it.
     
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  2. Al in Cal Guest

    You are correct about the wrongs by some of the leaders of the Catholic church regarding bad priests and bishops and even the Pope himself committing sins of abuse and I have expressed my outrage to my church leaders. I am very sincere about that. But there is also much good within the Catholic Church. The charity work done by Catholic missionaries is wonderful. I have personally known a lot of great priests in my lifetime and some great nuns also. A few bad people also.

    Personally, I think that the Church itself should be more focused on faith and morals and that people need to be guided in a moral life and not engage in all of the political crap and items not concerned with faith and morality. I, for example, do not like the present pope. I think that he is a hypocrite himself in many way and is pretty much a communist. Therefore, what he says about his view of the world, is just words to me. He can lead me as to faith and morals, but don't lecture me about global warming, illegal immigration, etc. while covering up instances of priest and bishop abuse on children which still occurs, asking for more social justice when you have coffers filled with tremendous amounts of riches. In other words, put up or shut up. Many Catholics, BTW, agree with what I just described and complained about.

    As for you, you really do not see your own hypocrisy. I defend my own religion from attacks. I don't attack anyone elses view on religion, including atheism. You by the way ARE an ATHEIST. YOu deny the existence of God which is atheism. You may not like the title of atheist but it is who you are. I care less. BWW wears that label proudly. You don't.

    Also, you once again question if I am a Christian because of what you see are attacks on anyone who doesn't believe what I believe. That is crap. YOu bring up my "judging" the Hollywood people. I call em like I see em and as a GENERAL RULE, the Hollywood crowd is immoral in my judgement. And a whole lot of them are hypocrites and phonies in regard to this entire MeToo movement. Well, baby, take a look at your own biases and judgemental words regarding Christians and Catholics. What is that all about, eh? In other words, you do the same kind of crap that you accuse me of.

    People are just people. Some are good and some are bad. People in leadership are the same. Some are good and some are bad. We are all sinners and some of us may become saints.
     
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  3. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    I went to Catholic schools and got many the beating from our nuns. Soeur June (I attended french school) in particular. May she roast forevermore in eternal damnation. I'm not saying that the punishment wasn't fully justfied but holy shit it hurt. LOL

    I agree with this. Keep religion separate from politics, sexuality and science. That's not their area of expertise and they should focus more on their congregations and what's happening there.

    I'm just not sure you need to defend anything here. You can probably discuss to great length your personal experiences with your church and faith and that would be a pretty interesting discourse if you ask me. When I say that I don't believe in God I am not taking anything away from your beliefs. You should speak of your faith (in the appropriate venue) and be confident and proud of it. Why wouldn't you be? If Bww tests you or offers a different opinion to yours that's okay too. It's good to read all sides of different situations and ideals. I know that expecting Bww and you to be able to discuss anything with mutual understanding and respect is a ship that has long since sailed but it does not mean that there isn't value in both of your perspectives.

    I'm not questioning if you are a Christian or not, I'm questioning the way you conduct yourself. I have no malice Al, I'm just trying to help you understand where I'm coming from. When anyone lashes out at others it makes me wonder. I absolutely think you can have an opinion on celebrities (from film, politics or anywhere else) but it's when you get heated and cast aspersions on them that I wonder. That's not the way I understand Christians to behave.

    I agree with this completely ... well except for the saints part :)
     
  4. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    I'm glad that I'm smart enough to know when a substance just isn't good for me. I much prefer to use pot to get my buzz because I just get silly and tired when I'm high. I also have zero interest in driving or getting into intellectual discussions because they're just too hard to track for me LOL
     
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  5. Al in Cal Guest

    Also, you once again question if I am a Christian because of what you see are attacks on anyone who doesn't believe what I believe. That is crap. YOu bring up my "judging" the Hollywood people. I call em like I see em and as a GENERAL RULE, the Hollywood crowd is immoral in my judgement. And a whole lot of them are hypocrites and phonies in regard to this entire MeToo movement. Well, baby, take a look at your own biases and judgemental words regarding Christians and Catholics. What is that all about, eh? In other words, you do the same kind of crap that you accuse me of.

    Baby's response:


    I'm not questioning if you are a Christian or not, I'm questioning the way you conduct yourself. I have no malice Al, I'm just trying to help you understand where I'm coming from. When anyone lashes out at others it makes me wonder. I absolutely think you can have an opinion on celebrities (from film, politics or anywhere else) but it's when you get heated and cast aspersions on them that I wonder. That's not the way I understand Christians to behave.

    My response to her:

    YOu are questioning if I am a Christian or not. In so many words. You also make sweeping judgements about an entire Catholic Church and call people who believe in its faith as hypocrites. Come-on, own your own words. I also find that you can do that but defend Hollywood people. To me that is crazy. You do not have an understanding of what Christians are and how they are supposed to behave. You take small snippets of things and try to project them to nonsensical proportions.

    Also, what do you mean that I "lash out at others" and "cast aspersions on celebrities"? I hit back when I am attacked. That is who I am. That is how I was taught by my mentors including my father, an uncle, and some excellent role models including my religious teacher and baseball/boxing coach in high school. Christians are not wimps. Christ was not a wimp.

    Also, your understanding of the way Christians are to behave sound like you are trying to train a puppy dog. I am sorry if you had a bad experience(s). I am sorry that you were abused. I was physically abused(not sexually) but abused by a Catholic nun in the 2nd grade and my father took care of it. I taught my kids how to handle things if the worse things happen around them. THis is what parents are supposed to do and it sounds like you didn't have that experience unfortunately. I do know for a fact that unless people fight for themselves, that help may not come although needed. That is just the way the world works. We may want it to work differently but most of the time it will not.

    I said before and I will say it again although I got hammered when I said it the first time. Abuse absolutely NEEDS to be reported and people need to fight for themselves and others. Yeah, there are exceptions when victims cannot for one reason or another cannot or just won't for whatever reason. But unfortunately if they don't report it then it is LIKELY that the situation will actually get worse either for themselves or some other waiting victim out there. The same thing also applies to the rampant BULLYING that goes on especially with young people in school. That can be a great big subject in itself. I think that pretty much everyone gets bullied one way or another and once again, people need to be taught how to handle that also or kids will end up being virtually tortured by their peers. Young suicides are rampant right now and with the advent of multi-media, kids become targets easily.

    An individual cannot fight everyone in truth when they are attacked. But they absolutely need to report these things to someone in power. And if they get only lip service to it, they need to yell louder and keep raising the issue until someone listens and helps them. I am all for victims of crimes to band together to protect themselves, their children, and their community. ANd this can and should include arming themselves and learning how to use weapons to defend themselves if they feel unsafe. Women, some men, and especially the elderly or disabled should not be alone on the public streets. Go with someone else, carry mace or an electronic zapper with them. My oldest son who is a big strong, physical guy himself, sometimes works on remodeling of large supermarket chain stores in some really bad gang laden areas. He carries a gizmo that will take down the biggest of men easily and also a very sharp machete. He still gets scared in some of these areas while working at night pretty much alone. On one occasion he called me to listen to bullets bouncing off the building he was in. A gang shoot-out was taking place in front of the store he was in.

    Sometimes the world in front of you is a shit pot full of really bad people but sitting back and letting these people throw shit at you doesn't make it any better. That is what I am saying.
     
  6. skinny123 Guest

    When I was 7 my grade 2 teacher miss herman kissed me on my lips, is that bad? I'm a lot more pissed about my grade 3 teacher that used to go around slapping students in the face. My grade 2 teacher was nice:)
     
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  7. Jeanquev Legend Steelers


    :lol:
     
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  8. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Quoting the Bible Jean?
     
  9. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    moving on as unlike some I do know not only the meaning but how to turn the other cheek ;)
     
  10. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    This is an interesting turn of events. I wonder why Ms Garcia was included in the cover for the #MeToo movement? Maybe she wasn't completely vetted, but this is pretty sad news.

    #MeToo movement lawmaker investigated for sexual misconduct allegations California legislator cut national profile as activist against sexual harassment. By CARLA MARINUCCI 02/08/2018 05:05 PM

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/cristina-garcia-california-metoo-398985
     
  11. Al in Cal Guest

    She's just another phony hypocritical politician. Political party be damned because both sides have phony assholes in them. One of the major things, though, with me, is that we need to treat accusations of sexual abuse on a case by case basis and not a sort of Salem witch hunt. Clearly this Garcia women is just another example of someone trying to make political advantage of a bad situation and got caught. It probably won't matter in the Socialist state of California because it is run by an ideological governor and his band of socialist operatives.

    California itself is hopeless. Other than the weather, it is a rotten place to live.
     
  12. Catfish Guest

    if you drink every day, even 1 beer, technically, that's an problem. second of all - don't be so damn literal. I said "bad news for you bc of your earlier comment." take it as a comment and not literally bad news.

    alcoholism is a disease meaning its inside of me. I didn't ask for it. it was in my body. yeah my hand reaches for the beer blah blah, but as soon as Friday hit, my brain or mentality was "I worked all week, it's time for some beer." that's my mind doing that BWW. it's deceiving me into thinking I needed that beer. That's control I didn't have. To turn off the craving of it like any addict was something I COULDN'T CONTROL, so the hand reach for the bottle is silly. I had an urge non-alcoholics don't have. that's a disease bww that I didn't ask for. I have 7 siblings and my 3 sisters barely drink at all. my brothers drank bf they got married and slowed down and became normal social drinkers. I was not so lucky.

    alcohol is hereditary and I didn't drink in HS. I go to college and true story I met some fellow freshman and I had 7 or 8 beers my first night on campus. they were shocked as I never drank before etc. I said "why is 7-8 beers a lot?" they said "well for a first timer it is and you're not even phased or drunk or affected by it." that's not luck bww. that's not coincidence. my parents were alcoholics and I did inherit the urge to drink to excess from them. my tolerance to alcohol came from them.

    God works in different ways. God works in mysterious ways. I was there in my bed which was going to be my deathbed begging to live. apologizing for every sin I committed and begging for another chance at life. I was prepared to give the 1 thing I loved the most up to do it and God granted me a second chance. He may have a different plan for a sickly child or dying child. They may have a better afterlife than me. A better after life journey than me. I don't know. All I know bww is I went cold turkey and my urge to drink again was gone. The weekend came and poof, my mentality to drink Friday night bc I worked all week was gone. My urge to drink at all was gone. I was at the Eagles SB parade yesterday. Thousands of people around me drinking. I had a Coke. That's not will power bww. that's not lucky or stubbornness. God is making me resist it. He is making me not want it anymore.

    I can't speak for little kids. I can only speak of myself and I know there's a God bc he saved me and changed my life forever and made me not drink anymore. I can't explain it BWW just like I can't explain why God can't spare little kids pain, suffering and dying. All I know is I am living proof that he saved me.

    AND GOD DIDN'T "FIX" MY LIFE OR HABIT. HE SAVED MY LIFE.
     
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  13. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    It's only a problem when you run out.

    Well don't call it bad news if it isn't bad news. Bad news......I take things literally.

    Was your first beer forced down your throat? I'm guessing it wasn't. You might be genetically more susceptible to addiction....but you choose to drink.

    People addicted to cocaine or heroin chose to pick up those habits. Alcoholics chose to drink. Is addiction a disease? Yes. Does that mean you HAD to become an addict? Absolutely not.

    Oh C'mon!

    God lets a child die because they're gonna have a better afterlife? That is such crap!

    God controls your mind.....that's basically what you're saying?

    I'm gonna resist the urge to be a dick here and go on a rant. And no invisible man is making me do it...it just doesn't seem worth my time at this point.

    You're proof that a person can overcome an addiction. And you're not the only person walking the earth that is proof of that. Whatever thoughts helped you and continue to help you do so are your business and I wouldn't begin to attempt to change your mind.

    The god shit just doesn't add up or make sense.

    K.
     
  14. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    This is spot on. Every case is different and should be treated as such.
     
  15. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    So live without it then. And leaves the laws that allow me to drink alone.
     
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  16. Catfish Guest

    per you, an atheist, not other people. Bww-didn't you the first part of my story on Wed ? After my parents and best friend all died bf I turned 22, I turned my back on God. I didn't believe anymore and I stopped going to Church and Church functions. Selfishly on my deathbed so to speak, I begged to live. I wanted to keep living and i would give up the 1 thing in my life to do it. Why the hell would he save or spare me then of all people who turned on him ? Why not let me die? That's overcoming an addiction ? I don't believe that. I'm not that strong of a person. I'm not that stubborn. I had help in not drinking anymore and making it look easy - that's God's work.

    And believe me BWW, if I were you, I'd laugh and roll my eyes at my last post too. if I wasn't me, I'd laugh at that post. I wasn't a God fearing man before. I am not now. I am not some religious zealot or nut. I am not trying to convert you. I don't know how else I could've quit drinking so easily. What other answer do I have but God ? Will power? Luck? I begged to live again and the massive main in my breast plate and stomach went away immediately. I woke up the next day alive? how do you explain that ? Luck? Something happened to me and I am not chalking it up to luck or coincidence.

    Now, my own Doctor thought as you did. He said "there's no proof alcohol brought that attack on your body." I said well after 4 weeks of insomnia and drinking to just fall asleep, it was something. he said, I have no proof though. there were other signs of my body starting to fail I didn't tell him and I'm not speaking of on here. in those 4 weeks, there were other signs my body was shutting down and losing functionality. then BOOM - all the pain gone. I could sleep on my own again. my bodily functions returned to norm. How do you explain that bww? again, something mysterious happened to me on a few levels. my only answer it can be is God. Sorry if that offends or bothers you. I just don't have another reason for me quitting so easily when others struggle. why I am alive and little kids die of cancer? I don't know. I just think God saw me at my weakest point in my life and granted me with a gift to live again bc I begged for it. What does George Bailey (Jimmy Stewart) say in the Christmas movie "It's a Wonderful Life,"..."God, I want to live again, take me back. I WANT TO LIVE AGAIN."
     
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  17. Catfish Guest

    another sign of a problem.
     
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  18. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    Interesting that she doesn't have very good recall of her transgressions. Says a lot about how much booze she was pouring into her gut.
     
  19. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    If I may interject .. Bww's problem really isn't the booze. It's just that he is a universal and global problem for 'peoplekind' in a general sense of the word. (LOL sorry Justin). Just ask the rest of the world what they think of him and you'll get where I'm going with this ...

    I crack myself up LOL
     
  20. Al in Cal Guest

    Cripes, you sure as hell do not have to apologize for anything that you said. You do not throw any of your beliefs in anyone's face. He does. He makes a big time mockery of religion and people of faith. All you did was share a good story of yourself and what happened to you. I have had a few experiences with people suffering grave wounds and praying to God to help them. I've seen the last rites administered to people on their death beds. An atheist can mock God all that they want to but is can be comforting for a person about to die and that is a good thing. A great read on the subject of the afterlife is called PROOF OF HEAVEN written by an agnostic noted brain surgeon who endures a terrible car crash and is knocked into a coma. HE describes what he "saw" while being unconscious and basically written off as dead.

    Like I said. I don't care a whit about atheists except when they attack my faith and that of others.
     
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