There is an order to things. As I said go to the Steelers board if you want to hear my full explanation.
Now I think we got away with the Clement TD. NFL ruled we had enough control before he let go out of bounds. There are picks of the ball loose once he is OOB. I think it should have been overturned but they let it stand as inconclusive on subjectivity of timing. Feels like Karma for the Bills TD the Pats had reversed. I'm sure Bills fans appreciated it. They actually had the highest national viewership rating over Philly and Boston. Wow.
Agreed...I have no idea wth a catch is!! I lost $10 on that bullshit. lol!..I thought 100% sure that they were gonna take Clement's TD away... I mean it's a catch all day, but by the way I interpret the NFL rules, it seemed destined to be called incomplete...I guarantee Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant were telling everyone within earshot that it was gonna get taken away...Who knows? The NFL has us all wondering what a catch is, as if what we see is no longer a relevant factor....It's crazy. I mean later in the game, Ertz obviously scored, yet they reviewed it forever, and I was almost surprised when they agreed with what I thought was clearly a catch and score... As far as Clement's "catch" goes, who cares? Good for Philly...It's not like the Patriots have never had a call go their way when it seemed improbable...
I think the NFL missed the bobble after he stepped OOB and only looked at the one before he did. If they didn't miss that OOB bobble then the NFL apparently ruled that if the first bobble could not be confirmed then before the 2nd bobble ever happened than Clement gained control long enough to be a catch and the 2nd bobble was irrelevant. After all he wasn't really tackled or going down was he? If so he theoretically completed the process before the OOB bobble.
I believe it was this...I think they determined a catch in bounds and the second bobble was irrelevant at that point. It is such a touchy subject and this one really could have went either way without too much argument from either side. I think they made the right call in the end.
I agree with Collinsworth....It's a complete mystery what a catch is these days. He was bobbling the ball when his foot hit out of bounds. That seemed clear. I'm glad Clement got the call, but I'm confused more than ever about the NFL catch rules. I don't even understand why the Ertz play needed to be reviewed. He took three steps with controll of the ball, and dove over the goal-line...If they would have taken that one off the board, I would have lost my mind...
LOL - Yeah, last time I do a live mock draft at the end of the work day. Updated... should have been Ronald Jones.
That may be what they ruled but I'm am Eagles fan and I say they were dumb. He was definitely on his way to ground/being hit during the process. Think Jesse James. And you know that I think they made the correct call on James. Glad he became the 1st UDFA rookie to get 100 yards. I think only 1 other rookie ever has.
I think what gets lost in everything is how having players that are bigger and faster and technology that lets us freeze the game at any nanosecond does make it hard to make some of these calls. While there have been a bunch of head scratchers that have been called, the NFL has been continually working to define a catch and call it by the book. They have said they will come out and re-examine it again this off season. You cant just have the rule book state "a catch is a catch", if so, then everyone would equally bitch about the lack of definition. For what its worth, IMO, according to the rule, James = no catch, right call; Clement, no catch, wrong call. If you play it by percentages, its write way more often than wrong and the ref's are humans so it really gets overblown.
I looked at the Clement catch again. From the tools the NFL had that they showed us it seems they made the right call. The 3rd foot did apparently get inbounds for a moment. It dragged or at least it appeared to (so it wasn't conclusively out of bounds before he stepped down). If we assume that 3rd foot was down then we can see that at that point he has the ball secured on his upper arm against his chest with the bobble already having passed. So far at this point we can say it should stand as a catch as there is no evidence against it. Then there is the question on if it bobbles after he steps out. Again from the front view we see it goes into and leaves his hand but it also still looks like it never left the pinned position of his upper arm/chest. So the play has to stand as there is no inconclusive evidence it wasn't caught. No way it was being ruled a catch it was called incomplete either. Go to settings and play it a 0.25 speed. So from what we say from replay the call was actually very good, since assumptions can't really be made. Now I saw another image from another angle from a possible non-NFL video/photo that showed the ball completely free and not pinned to his arm and chest while falling after he was OOB. So I still think he didn't catch it but as far as the NFL could from what they apparently had to work with, it was a good call.
Mark my words...The new term we will hear now in regards to catching the football is the "re-grip".... Evidently they are saying Clements wasn't bobbling the ball as he stepped out. He was "re-gripping" and therefore had never lost control of the ball. smh....All I can say is, I'm sure there have been hundreds of calls that went as incomplete the last few years, where the receiver could make that argument... Look I understand these cameras are amazing and these refs are only human. I just don't see how it's been called one way for the last couple season's, and now suddenly we have a "re-grip" situation. lol! C'mon... I mean, listen to the broadcast. Collinsworth was absolutely dumbfounded that they called that a catch, as was I....
They were also more dumbfounded that Ertz was called a TD. I don't give the announcers; opinions any value. I though Clement didn't get it but reviewing the evidence they had again I think they made the right call with what was available, with the "regrip" not being part of the equation if we call it an arm/body pin. Talking about regrips I have always been fine with that as long as the ball stays completely in the hand. That didn't happen here if we are just talking about that. The ball lost a decent amount of contact with the hand.
Well you don't have to be a scout to see...CC is a smart guy, and was a damn good WR, so I do give his opinion value. As I would any other human being with football knowledge and eyesight, but that's irrelevant anyway. Collinsworth's reaction when they said the catch was good was the same as about 99% of the people at the party I was at...Completely surprised, and then perplexed. ...And I honestly didn't see anyone too surprised when they confirmed Ertz's play a score.
Walter Football's Charlie Campbell spoke with sources at six different NFL teams regarding Michigan DL Maurice Hurst's draft standing, with four saying that the Wolverine would be drafted in Round 2. Hurst (6'2/282) has been a popular first-round name in mock drafts this winter -- earlier on Tuesday, ESPN's Todd McShay projected him to the Cowboys at pick No. 19 -- but this does not appear to be an opinion held by all. One NFC GM went so far as to tell Campbell, "We graded him in the bottom half of the second [round], and he could go in the third." Campbell has heard some questions about just how well the undersized Hurst might be able to hang against the run at the pro level. It should be noted that this was an area he excelled in during the 2017 campaign -- he was the only defensive tackle to receive a grade of at least 90 against the run by Pro Football Focus metrics. The NFL Scouting Combine figures to be an important setting for him as he tries to convince that he's worth a Day 1 selection.
One scouts opinion: Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan Hurst cannot be blocked at the collegiate level. I've come to that conclusion. Run play, pass play, misdirection, Spider 2 Y Banana ... doesn't matter. And it's like every interior offensive linemen knows he's going to fire off the ball like a rocket, but it doesn't matter. His first step is just too quick. He's in the Geno Atkins mold.
So 1/3 of the attendees would take him in round one? Unless teams start talking to eachother to make sure that everyone approves of their picks, I don't think it matters what percentage it is unless the headline is "head scouts from all 32 NFL teams has a late second round grade on him".
If I wasn't a blunt-force honest GM like John Dorsey, I too would say that a guy I coveted should be drafted in a later round. "Calvin Ridley? Never heard of him... he a cornerback? WR for Alabama? Eh... third round maybe - and that's gun to my head!"
