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I think the raw deal was to be thrown in off the bench to a starting role and think he's the next coming of peyton manning. he belongs on the bench bc he wasn't ready to be a starter and became one. not fair to him. he needs a lot of retooling and practice to get better.

 

I just don't like the school. Sports-wise, historically. And its based on an archaic cult... etc.

 

lol! I dated a Hoosier back in the day and spent some time in Bloomington. I figured they would rank a little higher....

 

They were fun, but the other 2 were more of a circus, especially Purdue. It was Little Indy Weekend or something. Got really high and kept riding the Gravitron.
The parties were absolutely mad.

Ball State was always in Playboy's Top 10 Party Schools and they lived up to it.

 

Life isn't fair. Lots of NFL journeys are rough.... Kizer had opportunities as a rookie that many young QB's could only dream of...Hopefully he can learn from those experiences.

 

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/201...ting-from-scratch-has-talent-to-build-around/

 

^^^Sorry. I meant to post that on another thread. Since we were discussing it here too, I'll leave it.

 

I thought this place was starting to look like the Dawg Pound.

 

This only seems to enhance Axe's point. You went to self-deprecating out of frustration pretty quickly.

 

I won't get you any Bibles or ND sweaters for Christmas then!

 

What?! What point was that? That the Browns are as far away from being competitive as can possibly be? smh..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think that notion has been completely debunked over the last two and a half pages on this thread...

 

John Dorsey + a solid young nucleus + $120M to spend + More premium draft picks than ANY GM ever had at his disposal = Much reason for optimism that Browns can be very competitive in short order..

But if you just blindly stare at 1-31, and assume same ol' Browns, then yes things appear bleak....

 

top dawg and lyman--there's an fake trade rumor among eagles fans friends of mine on facebook.

would you do this trade if you were Cleveland - trade Garrett and the first and second rd picks to Philly for Carson Wentz ?

Now this is fake of course and the SB hasn't been played yet so Nick Foles could be the Mayor of Philly or another athlete who couldn't bring home the title. However, if the Eagles win the SB and Foles somehow has a great game etc, the Eagles could have a QB controversy in house for next summer and training camp. That's IF Wentz's knee, which had 2 tears and not one, as the news reported, fully heals and he's his running fool self.

To me - neither team does this trade and both would laugh at it. As Browns fans - would you guys do it? I thin you will answer "hell no."

 

Fair points. But . . . What other choice did the Browns have? Dearly departed Sashi Brown (who had responsibilty for the 53 man roster) proceeded to give the Browns Kizer, Kessler and Hogan. However, IMHO, Kizer could have spent four more years in college and he STILL wouldn't have worth a shit.

 

damn that's cold.

you could've passed on Garrett and taken a QB ?

 

Yep. We could have. But Sashi didn't. Instead, he waited until the 2nd round to draft QB that wasn't ready to leave college and then jettisoned the only veteran QB in camp leaving 3 QB's with 2 years experience COMBINED!

 

It was Kizer's decision to declare for the draft. No one else. As a result . . . He was unwatchable.

 

I think you are looking at this the wrong way...

Cousins could be the best thing to happen to Kizer. If he was forced to play again in 2018, he may be forced out of the league. If he develops behind Cousins and actually surpasses him 3 years down the road, then he will be set up for a great career ala Aaron Rodgers. Kizer didn't need one year of development, he needed 2-3...if Cousins comes in he will get that development and only he 24 at the end of his rookie contract.

I fully expect, if they got Cousins, their QB hunt would be over this off season. Hue Jackson expected to develop Kizer over time and Sashi Brown forced Hue to play him by dumping Brock Osweiler...I believe Hue did it to prove a point to ownership that Sashi didn't know how to manage a football roster. He's gone and Kizer can develop the way he was supposed to.

However, as a Browns fan AND a Notre Dame fan, I can't wait for that development. We have watched 1 win in 32 tries over two seasons, so as much as I want to see Kizer succeed, I can wait 4 years for it...what I can't do is go through another year of misery watching the product on the field as it stood past year.

 

This isn't news, just a note and someone tooting their own horn...

Brian Hoyer: Browns have won four games since benching me

Brian Hoyer is at the Super Bowl as the Patriots’ backup quarterback, and he had some things to say this week about a team that is very far from the Super Bowl.

Hoyer pointed out that the Browns have won just four games since they benched him as their starting quarterback in favor of Johnny Manziel late in the 2014 season.

“They’ve only won three games since then. So I think that explains everything. Is it three or four? Four,” Hoyer told Tony Grossi of ESPN.

In Hoyer’s 2013-2014 tenure with the Browns, he started 16 games and they went 10-6. The Browns benched Hoyer with three games left in the 2014 season. They lost their last three games in 2014 and went 3-13, 1-15 and 0-16 in the next three seasons. That’s a total record of 4-47 without Hoyer.

Here’s every quarterback who has started for the Browns since Hoyer was benched, and the Browns’ record with each quarterback:

Johnny Manziel 2-6
Robert Griffin III 1-4
Josh McCown 1-10
Connor Shaw 0-1
Kevin Hogan 0-1
Austin Davis 0-2
Cody Kessler 0-8
DeShone Kizer 0-15

Perhaps the Browns shouldn’t have benched the only quarterback who has had a winning record for them since the franchise returned to Cleveland in 1999... (PFT)

 

Actually, its two people tooting their own horn. The "reporter", Tony Grossi, at one time was the Browns beat reporter for the Cleveland Plain Dealer. That's a pretty good gig. The Plain Dealer removed him from that assignment at the request of the Browns. He then landed a job with ESPN radio in Cleveland and ever since, seldom misses an opportunity to bash the Browns.