Todd Haley OUT as Steelers OC

Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Steelers' started by bl1tzburgh, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. Early reports saying Randy Fichtner the favorite to replace him.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Now hire someone who will go no huddle every game until the game is over or we have a insurmountable lead.
     
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  3. jcsteelfan Franchise Player Steelers

    It's funny that Haley is probably on his way out. The offense started out the season playing below their potential. And finished up really strong. Ben got better when he put space between he and Haley. I understand the reasoning.

    Reports are Butler will be back and there will be no changes to the defensive staff.The defense is in steady decline.

    The defense on the field Sunday featured four 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks, and two high priced Free Agents. Big investments for a very poor return this season.

    The defense lost Shazier but that isn't why the assignments were consistently blown in the secondary. That's not the reason Bud Dupree blew assignments against the Jags on Sunday. Shazier being out isn't the reason Mike Mitchell only excels in the area of trash talk.

    I believe Butler gets the blame for the defense but Mike Tomlin has had his hands all over the defense. Butler will be back because Tomlin knows that's his shield from criticism.

    I do not understand how a group as talented as the Steelers defense can perform so poorly and the whole defensive staff returns.

    I hope the reports are wrong. There has to be some accountability to the standard or there is no standard.
     
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  4. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Shazier would have made enough of a difference for us to at least win 42-35. Our ILBs are atrocious without Shazier.
     
  5. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Munchak turned down the Cardinals second interview request. Probably will be our new OC. Get Bell under contract because Munchak loves the run game.
     
  6. techheart Guest

    Butler coming back is outrageous.

    Firing Haley was only a good start.

    We will not win another superbowl with this defensive coordinator.

    The defense that Tomlin built is crap. He makes pretty good fools gold though with the occasional good games on defense and sack totals. Bottom line: his defenses as a general rule have given up big plays and now they struggle to stop the run too.

    As for Tomlin, he is nothing more than a cheerleader and I have come to the conclusion that Bradshaw is 100% right about him. Some Steelers' owners were pushing to have him ousted this week. Sadly, that will not happen. The only way Tomlin will win another super bowl is with a great OC and great DC. He also needs to choose personnel more wisely on defense. The Steelers need a disciplinarian and X's and O's guy as their next head coach and that's a move that cannot happen soon enough but won't.
     
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  7. dirk275 Franchise Player Steelers

    I hope that's true. He has done a great job.

    I hope he likes to QB sneak on 4th and less than an inch instead of running a sweep against a fast defense.
     
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  8. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    Great but Haley was only part of a big problem ----> Tomlin's game management and inability to discipline the team.
    Add in the nonsense of Ben getting interviewed and saying he wasn't allowed to run QB sneaks and Tomlin saying he was open to running it. Why is there so much confusion on a simple freakin' play - a QB sneak.
    I believe it was beloved Techheart that started a thread about 2 or 3 seasons ago where the title was "will Ben win another SB with Tomlin" (or something like that) Back then my reply post was yes. But now I'm fully convinced this team will never win a SB with Ben and/or Tomlin because both of them are just too stupid from a common sense football perspective.

    Thank You.
     
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  9. techheart Guest



    Good memory. Just for the record, I said "no" back then and it is an even more emphatic "no" now.
     
  10. steelersking M.V.P. Steelers

    I know I'm in the minority, hell might be the only one, but I am against letting Haley go. The offense was not the problem. 42 points should always be enough offense to win any game. People point to the conflicts between Haley and Ben, and well honestly this QB seems to thrive on drama and I think it was slightly overstated. However, if it was a situation where either Haley is gone or Ben would retire, then ok they made the right decision. I don't know why people are so anxious to have Fichtner take over the OC spot. Does nobody remember how things worked out when Ben's best friend was his coordinator? Ben probably doesn't either due to the excessive hits he took back then. Also does he have any prior experience to suggest he will even be as good as Haley? Ben needs someone who will challenge him, not be buddy buddy IMO. I've also heard Kirby's name tossed around, no thanks. I see the staff of the defense that gave up 45 points to the Jaguar offense is staying the same. 2 Offensive coaches gone, but all defensive coaches have jobs? Perfectly logical.
     
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  11. dirk275 Franchise Player Steelers

    Well, one things for sure. Our defensive coaches struggle to develop players and get them to work in a scheme successfully. Guys make mental mistakes when they have to think too much. Make it second nature and guys just use their natural ability. Coaches must teach and I wonder if the team had guys that were doing that.
     
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  12. notacos4u Guest

    Unfortunately, the Rooneys just do not fire their head coaches, they let them decide pretty much when they want to leave thus 3 head coaches in forever. I personally would prefer to see Tomlin gone over Haley. Tomlin has repeatedly been known for his teams playing down to the level of their competition and that doesn't fall on coordinators, that's on the head coach and the mentality he has built up in his locker rooms. Ben has been against Haley since the day he arrived, regardless of the fact his numbers have been incredible the during the tenure. Haley didn't throw the picks, Ben did. Haley isn't the one who couldn't see there was no play available at the end of the game against the Pats and just throw the ball away, once again it was Ben. I wish there was some way we could get another Star quarterback, Brees, Manning, even Cousins I feel would put up out of the world numbers with who the Steelers have on offense running Haley's offense, especially with that line. I feel bad for Munchack choosing not to take the second interview with the cardinals. I sure hope he is not thinking he's going to be the next in line for the steelers HC job, ask Cowhers coordinators how that worked out for them, thinking they would get the job. Any new HC will come from outside the organization and I for one am ready for a change. Tomlins ridiculous decisions and lack of any accountability, is just discouraging. Oh well, now time to start looking at the draft
     
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  13. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    I actually think Munchack could be a great HC for the Steelers
     
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  14. steelersking M.V.P. Steelers

    You don't just fire a coach after a 13-3 season. He's never had a losing record and has the second best record ever in his first 10 years. I'd stick with Tomlin too, his players love playing for him and he has a damn good record. I feel the wrong coordinator got let go.
     
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  15. demolisher43 Franchise Player Steelers

    Todd Haley was coordinating what may well be the most talented offense in the NFL. By a lot. For that reason, his margin of error is smaller. However, his inability to understand situational football (much like our QB during his nadir this past season) and inexplicable love for calling plays that don't make sense and sink drives only means the fact that he's gone is most definitely welcome.

    Haley has proven that his ego is bigger than his ability as a coach. He was a pretty good OC on a team that went to the Super Bowl before getting his first head coaching gig. He stunk, and he showed how bad he is to work with. After one season as OC here, three offensive positional coaches left the organization. None of them were big losses, but coaches and players alike found him stubborn and difficult to work with. The fact that he is set in his ways and calls plays that fail only because he pulled them out of his ass means he was bad for the team.

    That 4th and 1 sweep was his idea. The play-action pass on 4th and 1 was his idea. When even the idiot Dan Fouts can tell that runs up the middle net us the best gains, yet Haley calls less than ten of them, and none in short-yardage situations, it's clear evidence that he's holding this team back.
    Ben threw 4 TD passes that were caught beautifully on contested catches that no one else the Jaguars secondary faced all year had been able to make. Brown, Bryant, and Bell form a trio of extremely talented ball-handlers that should be unstoppable, and through sheer effort and talent, they were able to make the game not look like an embarrassment on the score board. How that has anything to do with Todd Haley I can't figure out.
    I hope it had less to do with "drama" and more to do with the fact that Haley can't call a complete game because he's high on his own farts.
    Probably because Ben credits Fichtner directly with his improved play in the second half of the season. If that's true, it'd both make our aging veteran QB happy and boost the quality of the offense further to have Fichtner take the reigns.
    Ben's not the same player he was circa 2011. He's less of a gunslinger and a daredevil and more of a field general. We've seen the offense sputter and stagnate under Haley, so now what Ben needs is someone who will keep the offense moving. Someone who can exploit mismatches and beat opponents with superior ability. Plain and simple.
    Technically they gave up 38 points (35 if you pin 3 on Boswell's Bountiful Boot), but I certainly agree. Joey Porter and Carnell Lake both need to be axed. Shazier was a back-breaking loss the defense never could make up for, but even before then they were giving up about two big plays per game. I hate this style of defense that goes for the home-run every time and leaves itself exposed for a big pass. It might work better if Mike Mitchell had just a modicum of understanding on where he should actually be. Did you ever think you'd see the day when you'd give anything to have Ryan Clark back there again? I certainly didn't.
     
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  16. techheart Guest


    Arians would never let Ben run the no huddle. Hopefully that will not be the case if he gets BFF2 as next OC.
     

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