1 misconception I keep hearing is the assumption that if the Browns identify Baker Mayfield as the best QB in the draft that he would survive to pick #4. That is a dangerous assumption. Why couldn't the Giants or any team trying to trade up to #2 or #3, especially if they think the Browns take him at #4, not take him first?
Maybe we should take Rosen at #1 and Mayfield at #4....If one of them pans out, it's the best Browns draft in 20 years.
How is that a red flag? Teams do that all the time. If you really want Mayfield and Barkley but don't think Barkley lasts until #4 (but Mayfield could) you do whatever it takes to make that happen.
For me, I start with the fact there is not one "guy" in this class. It's not like Sam Bradford or Andrew Luck's years when they were the consensus choice. It's more of a flavor for the franchise in this one. QB1 on New York's team might be QB4 on Cleveland's based on what offense they run, what they look for, how they evaluate it, etc.
Maybe the Browns leverage that #1 overall against the Giants and Josh Rosen. Perhaps get New York to give up a little something for the rights to Rosen? I honestly have had zero issues with how Sashi manipulated the draft to acquire more ammo. I originally speculated that Hue would have a three year window to identify his franchise quarterback and get the team headed in an organized direction. When he tabbed Kizer to be his quarterback, I felt he expedited his own clock and potential termination. I believe the Browns got this right, and wrong. Jackson attached his cart to DeShone, failed to rally the troops in season two and has done nothing to instill confidence in his decision making in game or leading up to Sundays. Ultimately, Jackson should have been fired. There is no excuse for the record over a two year span accumulating 1 win. Sashi could have stayed, but hiring Dorsey was absolutely the right move. Keeping Brown on board to potentially work the board for more ammunition while Dorsey made the decisions on when to pull the trigger and who to select may have made for a very interesting dynamic that had the potential to maximize the draft stock that Cleveland has been compiling. Now the questions that concern me would be - How much authority will Dorsey ultimately have if he is not allowed to make a change at the top of the coaching staff? How much influence will Hue have on draft decisions and free agency? Can he override John? What does it say about Dorsey's decision making ability if he stepped into a situation where he is immediately hamstrung from making major decisions? I think it's a fair question to question someones decision on getting into something where he already can't make certain decisions.
That is not how you get your QB near the top of the draft. You get your guy on your board, not 1 of a few guys rated near eachother on a consensus media big board.
That's true, Sam. I look at it this way; How many QB's in this draft do the Browns think would fill their need? Two at most? How many RB's in this class do the Browns think would fill their need (if they think they have a need)? Three, maybe 4? How many teams (besides the Browns) have a need for QB that own a pick prior to #4? One (maybe the Giants). Now add in the teams that need a QB that could be willing to trade up to #2 or #3 to get him. That number could be anywhere from 3 to 5. Do the simple math and its easy to see that if they wait until #4 to draft one of their guys, neither could be there. So just pick their guy at #1 and then decide if RB at #4 still makes sense given how many are available, or take the best CB on the board and look at RB with #33.
Last season, Cleveland took Myles Garrett at No. 1 overall and could have taken Deshaun Watson at No. 12. That would have worked out.
In the end, 'situation' still rules the day and, though I'm inclined to agree with you, I still believe Hue's presence makes Watson's debut much less inspiring.
In the end, it won't matter what I want to do but what John Dorsey (and perhaps Hue Jackson) will want to do. I posted in the other thread, but if I had to bet on it today, Dorsey's Browns draft will start with Sam Darnold and we'll see where the ride goes from there.
1,000% agree. He'd probably have thrown 2 touchdowns to 19 interceptions before blowing out an ACL and he probably isn't a terrific fit because he doesn't push the ball downfield - Hue has famously said he jams players into his scheme versus adjusting scheme to talent. In fact, the outcome of 2017 is enough of a reason not to wait on your QB since one oft he more widely-believed rumors is that the Browns actually wanted Mahomes at #12 and he went #10 when Kansas City jumped the Browns. I guess Dorsey would know...
Cause if they talk them up and pass what do NYG care...they will have the option of either guy at #2 if Barkley is the pick its a red flag cause then teams will know they want Mayfield at #4...we have a trade Indy has traded the #3 pick and ? is on the clock
And there could have also been the situation where Cleveland wanted Watson but he goes before the Browns pick at #12 anyways. That would have been another kind of disaster. Heck, maybe disaster did happen because they wanted Mahomes and he went at #10. That was actually reported by some outlets too. They wanted Mahomes, got leapfrogged and weren't in on Watson. They could want Mayfield this year, get leapfrogged at #3 and then aren't in on Darnold (to use an example I had earlier).
Ah, I see SAS just mentioned that later as well. The moral? If you have #1 and want an early QB then get the mofo at #1.
LMAO. I also question if he put the right amount of touch on those balls. He is definitely going a bit too hard for comfort there, like usual.
