Thats the unknown....your gonna take a guy that high w that big of an unknown....did you see that drive....tempo was sick and mostly runs
Not sure by what metric Allen trumps Kizer and I am unabashedly anti-Kizer. Kizer was rightfully a Day 2 pick. Allen should be Day 3.
Flip this and I believe it's a lot closer to correct. Allen has issues that he will need to overcome at the next level, but Kizer's issues were/are far more pronounced.
Yes. Allen is a late 1st pick at best and only because teams that made the playoffs can't be safe to get him later (but he may still be bumped up a bit more because other teams are worried about the playoff teams). Kizer was no better than a 6th rounder in my book.
But once you factor in how GMs/Coaches/Owners are affected by recent memory (type of player and position with success from the previous draft) and combine that with team need, Josh Allen suddenly becomes a top 16 pick in this draft. Should he be? Right now, I say no, but if he accepts the Senior bowl invite and looks sharp then the justification for taking him that high suddenly appears, whether right or wrong.
Yes he could and probably should jump because of the position and psychology, and perhaps others returning to school. In a bubble though he is capped at late 1st IMO.
We need to come out with a system that eliminates the draft round as a potential grade/rank. It's an arbitrary number attached to an imperfect system of selection. Thoughts?
I know what you mean. It kinda works for the earlier rounds though because of the playoff vs non-playoff teams, but at the same time that very important factor also skews it. You see it the most at QB. It's still arbitrary but I prefer a rough 1st half of round 1, then about a full round, then until around the end of day 2, rounds 4-5 and 6-7. Position depth, entire class depth and stuff always makes everything relative too for the most part. Example, I said it before but a guy like Vaitai, (no hindsight with success/failure in NFL either) may have been a day 2 pick last year. With QBs it's especially evident.
That being said, players can and are always rated on scales of composite grades and what that usually equates to in an average draft class.
That is the one issue I have with Mayfield that is evident today. When he has a WR open he will not always put the touch and arc on it and try to power it in. That last play a bit before 2:00 before half was a TD if he put some touch on the ball.
Baker Mayfield better WR than Coleman. (not really making fun of Coleman or the Browns, just perfect timing for it)
Even if Mayfield makes him look peewee during the week? Let's not forget, he has already accepted an invite..
This is by far the biggest reason he has stayed in roughly the same spot for me throughout the early going.
If he appears to work well with other players, works well with coaches, practices well and ultimately plays well then whatever Baker does may not have any impact on how coaches/scouts view Allen.
Yup. That is my biggest knock on him. It (as well as inexplicable running OOB for a loss often when he can throw it 2 yards ahead OOB instead) is something that can easily be coached out. If Mayfield and Rosen aren't 1-2 then the Browns and Giants are making mistakes.
