lol! okay...stopper likes to instigate. never forget that. Lym, I agree 100% on the "QB doubledown" if Alex Smith is the guy we go after, as I suspect he will be. He will be 35 years old. Sign him up, take a QB #1 and suddenly we might finally have our QB situation under control....However, If Cousins is the mark, there is just no way you can pay him what it takes, and then turn around and spend the #1 pick of the draft on a QB...Cousins is in his prime. He would be livid. As would the guy you drafted.... You just made Cousins the highest paid player in NFL history to come in and save the day. Are you really going to immediately cut him down by drafting the top amateur QB? That would not go over well, nor would it make much sense, quite honestly... I will say this...Regardless of what happens at QB for our Browns, I'm completely okay with it if they just want to call the Kizer experiment a fail and cut bait. He's the worst we've had, and that's obviously saying quite a bit...
So what you just wrote is exactly what I stated a couple hours ago....you dont have the #1 pick sit for 3-4 yrs while you spend a ton of $ on a vet QB
I don't necessarily disagree with that stopper...unless the guy is going to be 34 the season you are drafting said QB. Every player will react differently in their 30s. Obviously there are those that are able to play well into their late 30s, but you still see more QBs decline rapidly once they reach their mid-30s. You don't want to get caught without the heir on the roster when it happens. So, I have to agree..if you go out and sign Kirk Cousins (which I am doubting will happen more and more every day), then he is the man and you are signing him to be the man for the next 5-8 years at the age of 29 (turns 30 in August). If that is the case, you develop Kizer as his backup in case of injury. You will have ample opportunity to watch Kizer to see if he is in fact growing without the game pressure. If he is, then you start trying to find opportunities to sprinkle him in to game situations, a year or two down the line and see how he has progressed. Otherwise, if it is blatantly obvious in practice that he isn't growing, then you find another project in the late 2nd-4th rounds to bring in and work with. However, if Alex Smith is brought in, then I will agree with Lyman. If you believe one of these QBs could be the future, then you draft him now. I want a seasoned guy to step in when my late 30 something QB begins to decline. Don't keep him in the game because you are unprepared. For me, that would be Baker Mayfield. He's the only one that I personally feel has what it will take to succeed at the next level..but he will definitely need a couple of years to be ready.
It isn't about the money at this point, it's about fixing flawed position groups. Johnson played well in Williams system. He is currently making $16.7M this season (on the franchise tag), which is the only reason I chose $17M per year. HIS contract would show $17M per year, but there would be outs and incentives that make it up. Show me the "better bargains", I will most likely be able to show you, not a better player...I don't want a bargain, I want a fix to the problem. As for Pryor, I don't care what he did in Washington. He was a 1,000 yard receiver in Cleveland with Kessler, RGIII and McCown for a couple of games, throwing to him. He went to a room full of receivers that Cousins was already familiar with and hasn't gotten the ball. I believe he is one of the better receivers available based on what he did last year on this roster. My first choice would be Jarvis Landry, but if the other moves I made were reality, we can't afford him...so, we must make due with Coleman, Gordon, new draft picks and someone like Pryor. That would still strengthen the offense, but not harm the defense by not getting Johnson. I believe Trumaine Johnson helps the TEAM more than Jarvis Landry helps this TEAM. I would love BOTH, but, there is a point where you must say uncle. If I was GUARANTEED (meaning spend the #1 overall pick) to get Minkah, then I would trade Joiner for Landry and drop Pryor.
We all can agree on that... I've heard lots of rumors lately that the main reason we weren't able to obtain Jimmy Garoppolo was because the Patriots just flat out didn't want him in the AFC. The way he is playing, that makes sense... I still gotta believe if we had offered our #1 from Houston and a 3rd rounder, JG would be in Cleveland. Though I must admit, without any guarantees that he'd sign an extension, that's too much to give up...oh well. I would think making a trade for Alex Smith would be costly as well, especially if he makes a deep post season run which wouldn't be shocking now that they've apparently shored up the leaky defense in KC. Alex is in the top 10 all time for the money he has made playing this game....He get's talked about a lot as a possible Cleveland solution because of his relationship to Dorsey, but I think just as importantly, it's because he has another year left on his contract. If he was going into free agency this year, I wouldn't hold out much hope. I don't know if he has any "no trade" clauses, but if he does, that will likely be an issue... We've actually been so bad that QB's are refusing to come here...Bringing in Hue to fix the problem was like throwing gas on the fire. The Browns need to move on from this man. Get Bruce Arians in here! I'm amazed he might be available, but if that guy still has the fire in his belly to get after it, than I want Bruce to replace Hue as soon as possible... I'm not really sure what to believe, but if Josh Rosen really made direct comments about not coming to Cleveland if it becomes "clear the Browns want him", than I think that's a mistake on his part for many reasons, but it's not surprising in any way...I never EVER thought I'd see a team lose like the expansion Buccanears back in the day, but here we are, and it's my Cleveland Browns, and they are somehow even worse... I refuse to believe that our roster is an 0-16 roster...This is on Hue and the coaches. They gotta go.
Not sure what to get out of this since it's a meaningless game, but, ESPN is reporting that Pat Mahomes II will start Sunday against Denver. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...chiefs-start-rookie-patrick-mahomes-qb-sunday
While I can certainly see why there is so much animosity about Hue, he has made his fair share of brain farts on the sideline, I can find absolutely no reason to blame him for the roster he was given. THAT is 100% on Sashi Brown. Even if Hue had input - Sashi had final say on the 53 man roster. Look at it this way . . . How many wins would this team have with a competent QB and how many wins would they have had with the same roster but a different Head Coach? This season is all but over. There's a reason your windshield is so much bigger than your rear view mirror. It's time to stop bitching about the past and start using the windshield.
I know this is more rhetorical than not, but when it was pitched that "we are tearing it to the studs to build it right", that it was a "5 year plan", we would see "patience" finally from the owner, and you get the team that will have 100M in cap room, a crap ton of draft capital (which would have been for a guy who had arguable a better track record than all the other football lifers that we have had) and some seriously good pieces on the team that is ready to strike in year 3 of said 5 year plan. Not that I don't like the new GM, but it all seems like a set up to further the argument against analytics. Brown set up to try to establish a culture change, and that wasn't happening without a purge. Most of the guys that left, didn't want to be here. Some did, but they rolled the dice, and the team stood they're ground. They were establishing that they weren't push overs. This is the same way that you literally run any other business. We keep hearing how Sashi failed to get the QB and passed up the opportunities on Wentz, Watson, Goff, etc. Wentz isn't throwing to "Hollywood" Higgins, Corey Coleman, Josh Gordon, Ricardo Lewis, Duke Johnson, The Crow, Seth Devalve, and David Njoku. He is throwing to (insert "freaking" as each players middle name) Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholar, Torrey Smith, Zack Ertz, Brent Celek, Legarret Blount, Daren Sproles, Jay Ajayi, and Wendell Smallwood (even smallwood). At any given time he has AT LEAST 3 probowl caliber skill position players. You weren't going to have that on 1 season...hell in 2, but it sure looks like you could swing it by 3 thanks to this plan. Watson at least had 1 pro-bowler, while he and Goff both have coaches that were smart enough to tailor their plays to their QBs strength. Goff has the human decoy in Tavon Austin. He doesn't even get the ball anymore, but they use him repeatedly on misdirection plays and as soon as they notice you're not honoring him, they give him his touch for the game. We are stuck with a head coach that has one of the best running offenses in football but fully abandons the run as soon as he is down 1 score. he has been doing it for 2 years. I love this line, Lym. That's all we can do is look forward. Someday "next year" will finally come and it will actually be our time. I just think it is kind of weak for anyone to come with the take of the roster being weak.
I thought BB didnt want him stuck in Clev? Whatever the reason you draft Rosen #1 overall and if he plays bad when his contract is up it will cost him in the long run...Im sure his agent will let that sink in..btw Cousins wants to go play for a winner so that looks like its out
Here's the hole in your plan. Rosen won't play bad because he is in Cleveland, he will play bad because he isn't very good...
Oh great another QB you want to pass on and have come back to bite you...Rosen is pure playing the QB position
Not unless he was one of the receivers on Mayfield's tape I watched... The boy can ball, nothing else to it.
