Make no mistake, I think the Browns made significant progress to upgrade their O-line this year. But they STILL don't have the roster to play complementary football because of the hideous QB and WR situation.
Make no mistake, I think the Browns made significant progress to upgrade their O-line this year. But they STILL don't have the roster to play complementary football because of the hideous QB andt WR situation.
Sorry, I have a hard time understanding why a team who's invested in the offensive line but lacks talent at the quarterback and wide receiver position would dial up passing plays 64-plus percent of the time. That doesn't make sense at all. And no, I don't buy "they'd get stopped just running the ball". Our closest games this year were way more balanced.
Our RB's have talent. That's not really the problem as I see it. ..Even All Pro RB's get stuffed in this league when the QB plays with the effectiveness of Kizer. He's terrible and it consistently kills the offense. And up until recent weeks, we've had guys at WR that just don't belong in the NFL.... The QB's and the WR's have absolutely been the problem IMO...Combining that with Hue Jackson calling the shots is like, well lets face it, it's a perfect recipe for losing. This roster has more talent than last year's roster, but last year we were much more competitive. That's simply because Kessler/RG3/McCown is way better than Kizer. There's no other reason...That sad part is, Kessler is not that good either. I'm pointing the finger right at Hue Jackson. Finding us a QB was on him. I could pull anyone out of our local sports pub, that could do as well as Hue in finding a QB... Let's not forget how "the earth moved" under his feet at the amazing workout of Robert Griffin, prompting Hue to attempt that career resurrection, which seemingly everyone knew wasn't going to work... I know what Haslam said last week, and I don't care. When an owner gives the coach the public endorsement, it's almost always the kiss of death. That's pro sports. There's no way Dorsey is going to want to continue with the Hue Jackson fiasco...
This one is a gem: - Hue Jackson on DeShone Kizer Or this one: -Hue Jackson, comparing DeShone Kizer to Ben Roethlisberger Notable QB's Hue Jackson has coached (and their draft position): Jake Plummer (2-42), Carson Palmer (college), Patrick Ramsey (1-32), Joey Harrington (1-3), Byron Leftwich (1-7), Joe Flacco (1-18), Kyle Boller (1-19), Jason Campbell (1-25), Carson Palmer (1-1), Terrelle Pryor (supplemental-3), Andy Dalton (2-35).
While I don't agree with John Dorsey that the roster lacks "real" football players, I do share the sentiment that we didn't get enough of them. And worse, we didn't get them early. In 2016, our best players from the class are Ogbah (#32), Schobert (#99), Kindred (#129), and DeValve (#138). We missed on Coleman (#15), Nassib (#65), and Kessler (#93). I'm not going to kill S. Coleman (#76) because offensive line development seems to take the longest now. We sat here and whined about Mitch Schwartz for three seasons until his rookie deal was set to expire and he finally looked like an NFL player. Coleman has another year and two games until he gets to that season, so he can still make significant strides. Kessler has to be considered a bust because Hue broke him and we drafted Kizer (another bust) in the following year. Missing on the top pick in the first, third, and fourth rounds is bad but playing the 20/20 game is brutal. Sticking at the same spot - and even drafting the same position - looks a lot different: #15 - Will Fuller, WR #65 - Yannick Ngakoue, DE #93 - Dak Prescott, QB Fuller - 1,031 career yards, 9 career touchdowns (Coleman - 697/5) Ngakoue - 19.0 career sacks (Nassib - 4.5) Prescott - rookie of the year (Kessler - inactive)
I want to laugh at and make fun of this guy: BUT, wouldn't it be nice to have that much passion about a loss? It's been a very very long time since a loss mattered at all...This is one of the sadder days, realizing this from what should be a disturbing video.
Dorsey should do the humane thing and trade him as soon as the season's over. I guess now we know what Hue's been whispering to all these quarterbacks: "I will crush you and destroy any joy in your life." - Hue Jackson, probably
LOL - Sure, it's the fumble. Couldn't be the fact he's in the middle of the fifth-worst season for a QB in Browns' history playing for a lame duck head coach and a new General Manager who's primary job is to "find a new quarterback".
Fun Fact: Mike Phipps holds three of the worst Top 5. Derek Anderson rounds out the group. 1973 (Phipps): 148 of 299 (49.5%), 1,719 yards, 9 TD, 20 INT, 49.4 QB rating, 44 sacks (14 games) Don't know how some of you guys survived that... I'm about ready to quit on the Browns after they trotted DeShone out there. Jesus, Mike Phipps was trash - and we traded away Paul Warfield for that.
lol! No kidding...Well FWIW, Phipps in Cleveland was a little before my time. I only remember Mike Phipps as a lousy Bears quarterback. The only thing he was good at was handing the ball to "Sweetness".......Knowing that we traded away Warfield for the rights to draft Phipps is sickening though. The Browns have never been a good drafting team in my lifetime. Even Shottenheimer was terrible at it. Mike Junkin? Clifford Charlton? .....The only reason the Browns got good in the 80's was because they did an outstanding job of plucking players out of the USFL after it went belly up. Frank Minniefield, Mike Johnson, Kevin Mack etc.....And then Kosar circumvented a way to get himself to Cleveland via the supplemental draft.
SAS, I hear ya. It's completely understandable given the product you've seen in your generation, but please don't though. We need people with optimism in this fan base...You are about same age as my nephew. He's never seen the Browns as anything but bottom feeders. It's unbelievable how long it's been since we were respectable. When I was young there were a couple teams like that. It was the Saints and Bucs. They did finally right the ship after decades of horrendous football, and I gotta believe Cleveland will too... It can't always be this bad can it? I heard a former exec compare us to the Houston Astros of a few years ago. He seems to think we are in great shape, just missing a few key pieces. And he believes we are set up perfectly in the draft to fill in those holes in the roster, with Dorsey leading the way. So I know it's been complete hell, but we can't give up on them now... My frustration with Hue Jackson and Kizer is through the roof, but I'm clinging to the hope that their "run" is mercifully coming to an end....That, and I honestly think we'll pull off another Christmas miracle this weekend, and avoid the dreaded 0-16 (barely) once again...Obviously the sights of a Browns fan are set a bit lower than most (understatement of all time), but we gotta start somewhere. Why not in Chicago against the QB Sashi wanted? Keep the faith. There were a lot of times this year I was ready to meltdown and say to hell with it. It was optimism from fans like you and Irish, among a couple others, that kept me from coming completely unglued....
Mock Draft | Week 16 Update Browns going 0-16, let's not get that confused. That doesn't mean we can't look forward to 2018 without optimism. In fact, our new General Manager seems to reinforce that every time he speaks. Despite a tepid, team-crafted response to whether or not John Dorsey wants to work with Hue Jackson, the fact remains he has made some other bold claims: We will win the AFC North We will be a competitive football team (read: .500) With a bevvy of picks and boatload of cash, Dorsey actually can make that happen because the roster isn't as bleak as some would like to believe and a few key changes (cough, quarterback, cough) will make a huge difference next season. Front Office Changes: I think Jimmy Haslam really does believe Hue Jackson will be back, even with an 0-16 season (and 1-31 overall). He was his first choice at the position, still has unbelievable support around the NFL, and even the players still like, respect, and speak highly of him - including Joe Thomas. Personally, I think he's a cancer on the franchise but I don't make the decisions in Berea. The only change I will project is one that could very easily happen - Dorsey convinces Jimmy to mandate the hiring of an offensive coordinator. It would probably be a Hue lackey and someone who keeps his philosphy and tendencies, but at the very least would allow "Clueless" Hue to spend more time as an actual head coach and not a league-worst play-caller. Free Agency Moves: I would love to lure Le'Veon Bell out of Pittsburgh with a truck-load of cash, but for the same reasons I don't see Kirk Cousins signing in Cleveland, I can't say Bell signs on for this train-wreck - even for a record-breaking contract. I also don't know that Dorsey - as old school as he seems - is going to doll out $15 million a year for a running back currently in the middle of his most-used season to date (387 touches). Reminder, Larry Johnson was broken by the Chiefs after a 499 touch season (including post-season) - Bell is on track for 442, not including the post-season. Even with Dorsey having what's been reported as a "great relationship" with the agency community, I don't see half-a-dozen marquee names jumping on board an 0-16 team with a lame duck head coach (as of this writing). So here's the one's we get... Alex Smith, QB Kansas City: technically a trade and not a free agency move, this mirrors Dorsey's signature move when he joined the KC staff. Smith was traded from San Francisco for what turned out to be two second round picks. At 33 years old, he's enjoying the best season of his career, so the asking price would need to be pretty sizable. Dorsey trade's Philadelphia's pick (#64 overall) and a condition 2019 pick to Kansas City for Smith, who'll be playing on a one-year, $14.5 million deal without any contract extension. For the price, Cleveland has to try to extend him. Deal: 3-year, $48 million ($27 million guaranteed) Allen Robinson, WR Jacksonville: the Alex Smith domino has to fall in order for the team to land a potential No. 1 wide receiver. Robinson, a former Pro Bowler, has spent nearly all of 2017 on I.R. after a knee injury suffered on the first play. He's a young (25 years old to start the 2018 season), big-bodied (6'3" 220 pound) receiver who projects as a true No. 1 guy and who can work either opposite Josh Gordon - if he stays clean - or replace him in the lineup if he's suspended again. Deal: 4-year, $50 million ($28 million guaranteed) Ezekiel Ansah, DE Detroit: another former Pro Bowler who's had two down seasons in back-to-back years. Ansah added to a rotation that includes Garrett, Ogbah, Nassib, and Orchard gives the team more depth and more talent in the front four - which is quickly becoming the strength of the team. Emmanuel Ogbah may be the current MVP of the defensive line and missing him is truly hurting the defense. Deal: 2-year, $19 million ($10 million guaranteed) The Draft: the projected final draft position gives Cleveland seven picks in the Top 100. The Texans' pick could reach as high as #2 or #3 overall, giving the Browns complete control over the draft. John Dorsey has professed to like size/speed combination guys whereas DePodesta and Brown seemed to favor collegiate production with their picks. We also know that Dorsey is going to take a quarterback and it's almost a lock that player comes off the board at No. 1 overall. (Limiting to four rounds) 1.1: Baker Mayfield, QB Oklahoma The best prospect in the class and the only player fiery enough at the QB position to help the struggling franchise. Mayfield has top-end arm talent and accuracy. His ability to read progressions and throw receivers open is among the best in this class. His ability to negotiate the pocket and extend/make plays outside the pocket is best in the class but he's also best in the class playing from within the pocket (with an NFL-sized offensive line). The only blemishes on his resume are going to be measuring in at 6005 and an arrest for disorderly conduct after a night of drinking (legally-aged). The height he cannot change but it has not held him back and the arrest was certainly a lapse of judgement but hasn't been a proven track record (like Johnny Manziel). If Sam Darnold returns to USC for another season (he should), the only two quarterbacks worthy of Top 10 consideration are Mayfield and Rosen and it's really not even close any more. 1.4 (f/Houston): Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB/S Alabama A top-tier defense-man in the backfield. Fitzpatrick has played both corner positions, both safety positions, and even spent time at linebacker/joker roles in his time with the Tide. He should enter the draft with many folks thinking my highly of him than 2017 top safety pick, Jamal Adams. Fitzpatrick has size (6'1" 202 pounds), speed, and versatility that defensive coordinators love. In the modern game, he can be an every-down player who never comes off the field. Leadership and off-field character are elite. 1.22 (f/Buffalo): Derrius Guice, RB Louisiana State Browns trade #39 overall and #65 overall (775 points) to Bills for #22 overall (780 points). The Bills have two first round picks, thanks to their trade of Sammy Watkins, so Cleveland bundles two of their picks to make a move and grab the second-rated running back in the class. Isaiah Crowell is likely gone, leaving a big hole in the backfield. Guice (5'11" 220 pounds) is built for the lead back position and possesses excellent burst. Guice is capable of generating yards by himself, boasting a higher yards-after-contact than Saquon Barkley. While underused in the passing game, he's got very good vision as a ball-carrier and could contribute in that facet of the game as well. 2.33: Tremaine Edmunds, LB Virginia Tech The inability of the Cleveland defense to cover the middle of the field must be addressed. Edmunds is a big linebacker (6'5" 250) who can play inside and outside and shows good sideline-to-sideline speed and lateral agility, despite his large frame. He's a tremendous tackler and possesses good instincts for the position. I haven't seen him garner much first round buzz (I think only Todd McShay has put him there in a lone mock draft thus far) but he certainly fits the size/speed combination that Dorsey appears to love. 2.39 (f/Houston): TRADED (Derrius Guice) 2.64 (f/Philadelphia): TRADED (Alex Smith) 3.65: TRADED (Derrius Guice) 4.97: Quenton Meeks, CB Stanford A big (6'2" 204 pound) cornerback with press coverage potential. Somewhat shockingly, Gregg Williams has betrayed his previous coaching tendencies and is playing zone coverage over 70-percent of the time. Meeks has the ability to do both, playing off coverage primarily at Stanford. He's a willing tackler but will give up some in the running game. He joins a backfield that's starting to find their stride as a unit. 4.124 (f/Carolina): Parris Campbell, WR Ohio State Campbell is tops among Power 5 wide receivers at generating yards after the catch, thanks in large part to his outstanding athleticism and burst. He's very versatile and a classic Meyer recruit. He doesn't enter the NFL with great stats (697 career receiving yards) but he's shown himself to be a nice weapon to have, contributing in the passing, rushing, and return game while at Ohio State. He's got the size (6'1" 210 pounds) for the position and boasts a big upside.
Here's a question: Do we want Crowell back next year? I do. The guy has been bulletproof. He runs with power and has speed. IMO his weakest aspect is finding the hole. I won't argue that point, but I would point out that, IMO, he is a guy who needs more carries to settle down and "see" the field. I also believe he was too amped up early in the season, and focussed on "his contract year", trying to make every play into a game breaker. He's been stronger in the back half of the season, and I don't know that there are any guaranteed "better" guys in the draft. Of course if LeVeon Bell was to be available, see ya Crow. Barring that, what do we expect to get, that would significantly outperform the Crow? A coach who believed in the run game would go a long way to improving his and the team's performance. The only question in my mind is at what cost does he stay? I don't think this is a "no brainer", but I do think Crow is a true weapon, that hasn't been used well in a season where one would have expected Cleveland to be a run first team. What's the feeling amoung you hounds?
Wow, really? I'd call that video very disturbing, and nothing else. If there weren't kids standing right there, I might laugh at the crazy yinzer for being a lunatic I guess... Good lord... There's passion and then there's insanity.
