Where Do We Go From Here?

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by TopDawg, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Josh Gordon had nothing to do w Njoku....you can try and make any claim you want but you can clearly see it was a busted coverage as the DB was expecting inside help from the safety since they were in cover 3 and acknowledged it right after the catch..keep trying though as the almighty Gordon rendered 10 whopping pts for this offense...oh btw, I didnt make that remark it was beachbum
     
  2. You really wanted more Duke Johnson...they guy had 7 carries for 2 yds
     
  3. You really wanted more Duke Johnson...the guy had 7 carries for 2 yds
     
  4. You really wanted more Duke Johnson...the guy had 7 carries for 2 yds
     
  5. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but...

    The Original Poster said Gordon's mere presence would open up his complimentary receiver, Corey Coleman. At not point prior to after the game did you address or contend that notion..

    During the game, Coleman is a flop where as David Njoku (an actual deep threat) has a career game.

    Post game, you come back and gloat that Coleman didn't get the big boost expected, completely obvious to the fact the premise of the OP's statement came to fruition - it was simply a different receiver than expected. I'd explain how a lot of that has to do with personnel and match-ups but (1) I don't think you'd get it, and (2) you're currently teaching the Hue Jackson Presents: Master's Class in Football 101.
     
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  6. You are so clueless.....Njoku scored on a busted coverage...also he specifically gave a name not saying open up this guy or that guy...btw they scored 10 pts
     
  7. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Video: Njoku TD catch

    "Busted coverage."
     
  8. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Here I go again...I know...excuses, excuses excuses...

    He has been throwing to Gordon for a total of about 10 days. It takes time for a QB to learn a new receiver, the rookie has had to learn 16 receivers tendencies over the course of one off season, and including some of those after the season began...Gordon, the past 2 weeks. That number is correct by the way...Sixteen Receivers have caught passes this season...SIXTEEN!! None of which have been regular faces in the lineup. Njoku, who has been a bright spot and pretty much injury free has seen an alarmingly low number of reps. It is imperative we find receivers that will stay in the lineup if you would like any sort of chemistry to start developing in this crew.

    I know he has looked inaccurate at times, but he has also thrown so absolutely unbelievable passes as well. As the roster actually solidifies and he is only throwing to 6-8 players instead of 16 and they learn each others tendencies with reps, the accuracy will automatically get better. Maybe not 70%, but I believe it would at least be in the mid 60's with time allotted. He has the arm talent, more than any other QB this team has ever seen possibly. Because of the learning curve, I don't yet know whether the mental part is there. He still makes too many mistakes, this is what worries me more than inaccuracy at this point of his career. The game will possibly slow down for him, but the turnovers cannot continue. I thought they were getting better and boom, yesterday happened.

    Njoku looked great!!

    The run game, looked good early with Crow, but the fact remains, if they are down on the score board, Hue abandons the run game...17 rushes total yesterday by the RBs, with Crow averaging 4 ypc. Duke was running backwards yesterday, I don't know what his deal was. Regardless, you can't abandon the run and expect to excel on offense. 7 total rushes in the second half...SEVEN times they called a run play, 25 times he called a pass play...
     
  9. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    It wasn't busted coverage, the safety was playing Rashard Higgins in the deep half of zone coverage 3 because the left CB didn't get into his zone in time. The right CB had his zone covered. The FS did the right thing, it was just a perfect throw.
     
  10. Ya but for the guy who doesnt understand coverage it may not seem that way...you can see they were in a cover 3 shell which means the safety has the middle of the field...he didnt rotate over and the DB on Njoku was giving up inside leverage cause he expected inside help(gets up and throws his hands in air)....the corner route form the #3 WR would have been taken care of by the bottom corner dropping in his 3rd of the zone...no doubt this was on the safety playing w his eyes watching the WRs and not doing his job of covering the middle of the field
     
  11. Do your job safety!! His job was middle of the field and got caught watching the #3 run his route...its clear as day he was late and the bottom corner was in his deep 1/3 of the zone
     
  12. TopDawg Legend

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...son-wentz-browns-didnt-think-hed-be-a-top-qb/

    Oh what could have been. If this is true, then we sure can't blame Hue Jackson for passing on Carson Wentz...Kind of goes against how it was originally reported, but I tend to believe this is true, simply because that was about the time we first started hearing rumors of a major disconnect between coaching staff and front office in Cleveland. Plus, knowing Hue Jackson's preference for big athletic QB's that can get the ball vertical, how was Wentz not a perfect fit? And then their's Paul Depodesta telling the world exactly what the Cleveland front office thought of Carson Wentz....This is why the Browns are more of a cocktail party joke than anything else.

    The universe simply will not allow the Browns get out of their own way when it comes to landing a quarterback....
     
  13. Wasnt Kessler his guy..."believe me on this pick" or something like that?
     
  14. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    I think Hue is a company guy...From the beginning he had simply towed that line and said what needed to be said, so that publicly there was some confidence in the organization. Even now, publicly he doesn't give very much away. All the reports coming out are from inside sources, not the horses mouth.
     
  15. TopDawg Legend

    Yeah, that's making excuses. A good QB can step in and be effective. I'm not asking for Joe Montana-like precision. If you are an NFL prospect, you should be able to hit open receivers. You should know when to rifle it, and when to finesse it. When to go back shoulder, and when to put it out in front.... These things are instinctive with good quarterbacks. Kizer doesn't have it. He got to where he is because he's physically gifted. He's built perfect for the position, and sometimes his throws are beautiful, but way too often he hurts the team....It just doesn't seem like he has a good feel for the position at all. Kind of reminds me of Terrelle Pryor. He can make the spectacular play on occassion, but he just can't hit the tight windows that NFL passers have to hit. Not with any kind of consistency anyway...
     
  16. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    I call bullshit on this one...99 times out of 100 rookies look like rookies, whether they become seasoned professionals or not, when they first come out of the gate, they look lost. It is extremely rare that a guy fresh out of the dorm steps onto a professional football field and immediately flashes the signs of a future franchise passer.

    As far as your finesse theory, Brett Favre said, if you can't catch my balls, get off my field.

    The back shoulder and front shoulder is the exact aspect I am talking about, every receiver will come out of their route differently, it takes time to get to know that. He may be throwing to one or the other, but the way the receiver came out it is in a different spot than he expected that receiver to be. A thousand game throws will correct a lot of what you are talking about. In this age, a QB rarely gets 1000 throws to get to where he needs to be, unless he was a top 3 overall draft pick.

    Consistency is bred by repetition. I think we all need to be reminded, he's only played 10 1/2 games with this team...with 16 different receivers sliding in and out of the lineup...
     
  17. Goff has a whole new WR corp...he seems to have made the transition fine....yes the excuses are flowing
     
  18. TopDawg Legend

    How much experience did Watson have with the Houston WR's? Or Wentz in Philly? Or Keenum in Minnesota...And I could name literally hundreds of others from over the years, that walked into new situations, and were able to be successful...Josh Gordon is a big athletic WR. There's no excuse for missing him on half of his targets. Kizer stinks.

    We see QB's step in all the time without the benefit of familiarity with the WR corp...You don't have to have months of practice with Josh Gordon to be able to put the ball on him.

    Irish can call it bullshit, and that's okay... If it was a Buckeye QB, I'd probably be making excuses too....
     
  19. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    If it was a Buckeye QB, you wouldn't even an opportunity to make excuses. ;)
     
  20. TopDawg Legend

    lol! Brett Favre knew how to put touch on the football...If he threw like Kizer and said that, they would have laughed him out of the league...

    FWIW: Finesse on the ball isn't just some "theory" I've concocted to explain why our QB stinks....It's been around a long time, and normally associated with excellent QB play...

    Like I said. When to put some heat on it, and when to take a little off, are instinctive qualities that good QB's show early on. A lot of guys can throw it through the wall...It takes a special skill to put it in the "breadbasket"...
     

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