The new DPL.

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by bluez, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. demolisher43 Franchise Player Steelers

    I don't know if you can judge a receiver's bust status less than three years into his career if he's producing at any level. For instance, Will Fuller will be a career deep threat and Nelson Agholor will be a good option for Carson Wentz as long as he's in Philly. Now, if you believe these receivers should be able to consistently be their QBs's primary options for being dubbed first-round picks by the teams that picked them, then I would agree. I just wouldn't necessarily slide "not living up to their status as first-round picks" under the category of "complete bust."
     
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  2. Coleman has been a bust? When he's not injured he has produced
     
  3. Davis just started playing after an injury, Ross was coming off an injury from college so he was already behind....way too early to call these guys busts
     
  4. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I see that as honestly the same thing. First round picks almost exclusively should be the cream of the crop - the transcendent players. If they're not able to impact their teams meaningfully, I would consider that a wasted pick/bust. If Unfairly or not, if Breshard Perriman was a second round pick I'd agree... "has not lived up to billing".

    With the A.J. Greens, Mike Evans, and Julio Joneses of the world coming from the first, that's the peer group.

    Could just be personal opinion, but if you're taking a guy in R1 at the spot, you expect them to dominate regardless of the QB talent around them - for example, Fuller looked Top 5 with Watson throwing the football. Less so with other options. When A.J. Green catches passes from A.J. McCarron, he doesn't drop off his production.
     
  5. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    15 Games: 48 receptions, 619 yards (12.9 YPC), 4 touchdowns. 61.5 QB rating when thrown to.
     
  6. QBs sure aren't helping him
     
  7. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Part of ability is AVAILABILITY. He's doing the team zero good in sitting in the trainer's room.
     
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  8. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    A first round wide receiver should make his QB better.
     
  9. Agree but his injuries have been freakish...broken hand twice
     
  10. Well you said Kizer had his best game last week...who was his leading WR?
     
  11. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Same hand . . . Different bone in that same hand. The 1st one may have been freakish, the 2nd time not so much.
     
  12. Hey Im w you....guys that can play are more beneficial, but I think calling him a bust like SAS said is way too early
     
  13. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Terrelle Pryor 16 Games (2016): 77 receptions, 1,007 yards, 4 touchdowns. 71.8 QB rating when thrown to.

    Fun Fact: Cody Kessler's QB rating throwing to Terrelle Pryor was 102.3.

    Unspoken Truth: The 2017 Browns miss Cody Kessler and Terrelle Pryor more than anything else. Had we re-signed Pryor, not only would we have avoided the disastrous free agent signing of Kenny Britt, but Kessler would have his reliable target back and would likely have looked the best of all the QB's in preseason, earning the starting job over Kizer, who everyone (I believe) agrees should have had a season at least to sit.

    Kessler, game-managing in 2017, would have the Browns at least in games. The running game and defense could have been brought along while the rest of the offense tried to find itself. Perhaps without being immediately rushed into things, Kizer could have been brought into the fray during the BYE week (assuming average/below-average play from Kessler) and perhaps been better prepared for the season. By his own admission, Kizer expected to sit "at least a couple games" and has lamented the absence of a veteran QB on the roster.

    Sure, the Browns likely wouldn't have been leading the AFC North towards a playoff appearance, but would 3-8 feel a lot better right now?
     
  14. When Kessler has played this yr, he has looked lost...Ints and sacks...Pryor is having a horrible yr cause he's not very good
     
  15. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    You are a first round pick. You were the first wide receiver taken. You should be able to elevate the play of those guys around you. Instead, you punch a drunk guy on New Years, break your hand twice, and go out drinking with Kenny Britt and miss team curfew.

    He is in every single definition of the word a bust.

    Can he come back from it? Absolutely. And if he does, I'll remove the bust label.

    Right now, his arrow is pointing towards off the team in season or two.
     
  16. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Kessler looked/looks lost because he's coming off the bench cold for a series or two. He has no time to develop a rhythm with the players and the head coach who's actively torpedoing DeShone Kizer's development is doing the same thing with Kessler.
     
  17. You know the old saying...your backup is one play away
     
  18. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    And some guys respond better to that than others.

    Kevin Hogan looked downright electric off the bench. He sparked the offense in every series he played in relief of Kizer. So much so, in fact, that he was given a chance to start against a banged-up defense. He threw three interceptions, took four sacks, and didn't notch a touchdown until his final series of the game against a prevent defense (1:03 left on the clock).

    Not a stretch to say that Hogan is much better at jumping into a situation than Kessler whereas Kessler may be better with preparation and repetition.
     
  19. I cant recall...as Hogan ever been inserted w the game still in doubt?
     
  20. TopDawg Legend

    That list has some fails, but I wouldn't call Coleman a complete bust. He's had two strange injuries that have held him back, but has shown flashes of being really good. Same goes for Will Fuller...Agholor and Doctson are both starting to come on a little bit. There was a time when we expected it to take 3 years for a WR to hit stride in the NFL.
     

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