If it helps this offense learn "his offense", then the capital doesn't really matter, does it? Taking all the veterans away from this team damaged an attempt to teach the young guys this offense at all. Having someone that already speaks Hue's language could have been invaluable, even if reckless in the longer run. Jason Campbell is no longer a viable option in this league, unless you are bringing him in as a coach. He hasn't played a down in over 3 years. If he was 30-31, then I would think that a possibility, but not at 35. The players need a player that not only speaks their language, but can get on the field in game situations and show them at least what it is supposed to look like...even though, I don't think he would be the starter for very long, I still have faith in Kizer that he is going to mature into the starter role...even if Mayfield is chosen #1 overall... Mayfield would be one helluva ace in the back pocket though and wouldn't get thrown to the wolves like Kizer did this year. All that said...I do agree #33 and #65 is over paying, but where did you get the concrete report that states those were the picks? It may have been the Eagles and #65 picks which would put the value closer to #37 overall...Which, to me, is still overpaying..but not nearly as much.
Plus, Hue himself always says, "players aren't here to coach. That's our job.".... If Hue's ridiculous system is truly so complicated that only A.J. McCarron can help us, then Hue was the wrong hire anyway...I don't even believe that. QB's either got it, or they don't...The move for McCarron was the move of a desperate man trying not to get fired. That's all.
I don't disagree, the difference is though, the Bengals were full of veterans that could easily commute the system to McCarron. If McCown had stayed healthy all year I would agree with Lyman in totality...but he wasn't in the games last year for Kessler and Hogan to learn from in the film room...then is removed from the equation totally this season. No one in that QB room has a veteran to learn from...I am talking film, they don't have to be a coach. I'm willing to bet Hue uses Bengals footage (if he could get his hands on it) to use in the film room, but without a player from the team there to explain it as it happens, it really doesn't do much more than scout film. So they are learning on the fly, all of them, which slows down the process immensely. TD, going from a Notre Dame, Stanford or USC system to an NFL system is going to a complicated system. But, I would say Hue's is probably more complicated than your average offense, even for the NFL. It doesn't have to be trigonometry hard, to need a learning curve...Veterans speed up that curve in nearly every instance...In this case McCarron already knows it from Dalton. That said, I am still elated the trade didn't go through. I am not advocating that trade. In the long run, he still isn't an answer, it just speed up the tedious process of teaching Kizer and whomever they draft in 2018.
I refuse to believe this. Hue told us in the preseason that DeShone had picked up the entire playbook and was able to execute his offense. Bill O'Brien has a complex offense, too. Deshaun Watson, who did not come from a pro-style offense, either picked it up on fly and played at an MVP level, or the coach made adjustments to his gameplan and playbook to ease the rookie in - or, a little of both. Tom Savage, who has years of experience in the system, looks atrocious in his stead. Todd Pederson runs a version of the WCO like Hue. His QB came from a Division II school and started right away. It wasn't pretty, but it wasn't nearly this bad. Good coaches adapt to their players. Good quarterbacks don't struggle like this.
There really was some good from Kizer in Detroit. He obviously circumvented his own demise right before half, but I did see improvement. The two drives right out of the gate in the third quarter looked good. Having a solid running game obviously helped, but when he had to throw, he wasn't complete garbage. It's a step in the right direction. We could be mediocre in a couple years at this rate... We need to see a complete game from Kizer. No brain cramps. No headaches. No horrendous interceptions. Just play a solid game for 4 quarters. He doesn't have to be perfect. Just don't kill us...
Tashaun Gipson has been running his mouth. This would be a great week for Kizer to get his shit together and be a quarterback...
Just how sorry is the state of the franchise that a guy starting his eighth NFL game, completing less than 57% of his passes, throwing for 232 yards, a redzone interception, and easily the worst play I've ever seen in the redzone on his own audible... and we talk about how we saw "growth" and "improvement". Call it what it was: he came out and didn't sh*t down his leg and we're shifting the narrative from "do we need to take TWO quarterbacks in the 2018 draft" to "we have our franchise QB to work with". It took him 9 NFL weeks to replicate the success we saw from him Week 1. Unacceptable. C.J. Beathard - a third round pick from Iowa - won his start this week (his fourth) with a previously 0-9 football team. He completed 76% of his passes, threw for nearly 300 yards, had three touchdowns, one interception, and a QB rating of 123.4. If C.J. Beathard was a Brown for a week, we'd have built a friggin' statue of the guy outside the offices of 76 Lou Groza Boulevard.
I know. It's sad...That's why I gave the jab about our two year plan to mediocrity... Obviously, we'll be drafting a QB next April...Rooting for Kizer sort of reminds me of what it was like when we had Derek Anderson. An occasional beautiful pass, where you marvel at his ability. Yet you are always waiting for something awful to happen, because you know it's coming....I want a real QB. One that can truly lead a team. One that we know can come through in the clutch....Waiting on inevitable disaster sucks.
And that's exactly the book on him coming out of Notre Dame. He simply lacks consistency. I blame Hue Jackson for forcing him into the lineup, though. That's not on the rookie.
Come on, Man! Pump the brakes just a little. Beathard did that against the team that will replace the 49ers with the #2 O/A pick in the draft! If the Browns played the Giants, we wouldn't be winless either.
I don't foresee this regime bringing in a veteran QB without changes being made organizationally, so you'll have to QB room that looks something like: DeShone Kizer (starter) Rookie QB (backup) Cody Kessler / Kevin Hogan (emergency QB) Cody Kessler / Kevin Hogan (practice squad QB) So a roster that going into the 2018 could also very well not have an NFL win among them.
What choices did Hue have? o Osweiler? o Kessler? o Hogan? We've seen what those stiffs can do. Like it or not . . . DePodesta's "strategy" hand cuffed Hue to Kizer.
Fixed. Like it or not... Hue Jackson is the "qualified football guy" on quarterbacks and his misses have been worse than anyone else in the organization's. FWIW... I'm all for your idea of firing DePodesta. It's the most painless "pound of flesh" we can come up with and how much more "strategy" is required? I wholly believe if the Team President rumors are true and come to fruition, we'll see DePodesta let go.
Not fixed one iota. You first two examples of McCown and Watson are (admittedly) "reported". Not factual. Fantasy headlines served up to generate clicks with ZERO credibility. And the third one assumes the organization would go against the established "strategy" of accumulating draft capital well before Kizer's stock went down the drain. I do not pretend to know what goes on behind closed doors in Berea . . . And neither should you or anyone else.
Yes. Both were drafted by Cincy in 2011. But including those two, 8 of the 11 starters on offense were drafted between 2000 and 2011 in either the 1st or 2nd round. All but two (RB Benson and RG Williams) were drafted by the Bengals.
That is why I hated him. Exact same thing just happened with Hackenberg at Penn State a year before. Tools, the body and no brain or consistency. It's just unfair when you look back at the guys that sucked in the NFL and college but talented guys that apparently "don't have the tools" get passed on. The league has a QB talent problem but imagine how much more of a problem it'd be if some non-protypical QBs in the league right now didn't get their shot.... or how many more there could be if guys weren't forced out of football without ever getting a chance when guys like Hackenberg keep getting chances.
