Where Do We Go From Here?

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by TopDawg, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Peterman >>>>>>>>>>> Kizer

    It stands to reason that Taylor >>> Kizer at least.
     
  2. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Fuzzy math, Sammy.

    Peterman >>> Taylor doesn't automatically equate to Taylor >>> Kizer. (and, for the record, I don't believe he is.)
     
  3. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Obscure Taylor stats in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1
     
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  4. LOL!!
     
  5. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    19-18 career as a starter with a roster on par talent-wise with Cleveland's.

    5-4 as a starter this season with a roster worse talent-wise with Cleveland's.
     
  6. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    And since wins aren't really obscure, here's a couple to not make you feel cheated...

    Taylor's passing breakdown (2016):
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    Taylor's passing chart (2016):
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    He's PFF.com's 9th-rated QB for the season (10th passing, 4th rushing).
     
  7. And is getting benched...doesnt that mean something?
     
  8. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    It means that PFF is not the supporting evidence for which it's often used. But that's evident in many other cases, as well.
     
  9. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I think there are a lot of people who would take issue with your evaluation of the two teams' respective talents.
     
  10. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Where Do We Go From Here | Version 426,930

    Step 1:
    Hire Peyton Manning as Team President

    No... Peyton Manning isn't going to be the general manager, general counsel or anything like that. He doesn't have the experience. He has, however, been a leader at the most important position on a football field for 17 years professionally and earned a first ballot Hall of Fame reputation doing so - he's got the executive leadership skills necessary to be "the Guy".

    As Team President, Peyton will add a hierarchy to the organization that currently lacks one - all areas report directly into Jimmy and Dee Haslam.

    With his reputation, Peyton brings stablity and a sense of professionalism to an organization that has been anything but in recent years. He's the logical choice given Irsay is not budging on an ownership stake in Indianapolis and Elway is already entrenched in Denver. The Haslams and Mannings go back several generations and an ownership stake is definitely on the table with Jimmy (who could be stripped of ownership at any time, depending on the one-going Pilot Flying J investigations).

    Step 2: Fire Hue Jackson

    Hue Jackson has failed miserably as a head coach. He brought a reputation as an innovative and seasoned offensive mind, but the truth is that's simply not a reality. In a career that's spanned 30 years, he's been an offensive coordinator for four of them - for three separate teams. He's 1-24 as a head coach here and 9-32 overall. He's the "qualified opinion" on quarterbacks and has failed miserably in that regard.

    Perhaps what will most bury him is his (and his staff) going to the media to drive their narrative and try to spin their stories. His most recent press conference - and the constrast with that of Sashi's - was alarming. Hue was unwilling to take questions on a variety of subjects and came across as very "I, me, Hue". As a counterpoint, Sashi took ownership over his failings but continued to speak in a unified "we, us, our" tone.

    Step 3: Re-organize the front office under Manning

    There is still a place for "Analytics+" in the NFL - every NFL team is using them in some form or fashion. Sashi and DePodesta have done the dirty work for the team and should remain in some capacity, reporting directly to Peyton.

    The Browns should bring in someone more qualified that Ryan Grigson from a football perspective. Or, outsource that function to Scot McCloughan's scouting agency. The analytics haven't been the problem... it's been allowing Hue Jackson to have the voice as "qualified football guy" when he's proven woefully inept at it.

    [CREDIT TO @Lyman] Lastly, promote Gregg Williams to head coach and allow Mike Singletary to step in as his defensive coordinator. This will keep at least some continuity within the football organization and rewards the side of the football that's made strides since last season. It also keeps the organization from having to do a full-blown tear-down whereby you hire a traditional GM and allow them to hire their head coach, then the head coach hires new assistants, etc., etc. It should help to eliminate roster turnover.

    Identify an offensive coordinator and make them the highest-paid at their position. Give them an "Assistant Head Coach" title, if necessary. Bring in the best available guy - which is much less risky than trying to find the next Sean McVay.

    Step 4: Be "appropriately" aggressive in free agency

    This team needs two or three key veterans to help stabilize a youthful roster of talent that isn't as bad as Hue Jackson would make it seem. Personally, I would target:
    • Terrelle Pryor, WR Washington
    • Kellen Clemens, QB Los Angeles
    • Trumaine Johnson, CB Los Angeles
    Step 5: Nail the Draft

    This should be fairly straight-forward with the bevvy of picks. It comes down to what you do at quarterback. Ultimately, having #1 and #5 could work out exceptionally well and land, say, Baker Mayfield and Minkah Fitzpatrick with those choices, or Saquon Barkley and Baker Mayfield.
     
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  11. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    If I were King for a day, here's what I would do:

    • Fix the front office structure. Not everyone can, or should have, a corner office with a view. From where I'm sitting, the odd man out is Paul DePodesta. His replacement would be the ONLY person reporting directly to the Haslams. Sashi Brown and the Head Coach would report to this person.
    • Promote Greg Williams to Head Coach. Name Hue Jackson as OC and hire Mike Singletary as DC. This would keep the majority of the schemes in place and would allow for increased focus by the OC on the offense.
    • Back up the Brinks truck and sign Kirk Cousins as the starter for 2018 (and beyond). Draft the highest ranked QB prospect in 2017 and let him duke it out with Kizer for the QB2 slot.
    • Follow bullet point 3 for WR, LB and DB. In other words, buy some free agent starters for immediate production and draft their backups for down the road.
     
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  12. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Absolutely... he played awful last week. 9 of 18 for 56 yards and an INT.

    He was almost cut loose by the organization after the 2016 campaign. He ultimately re-negotiated to stick around, but the contract is written to let him out again. It was always very likely he wasn't going to be there long-term.

    It makes sense for them to see what they have in Peterman before heading into a draft class that could have potentially five first round picks at the QB spot.
     
  13. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Same question as posted to Eyedee: what is Kirk Cousins coming to Cleveland for?

    It's cannot be just money and he's likely to have more than one suitor.

    [EDIT] Love the other points, though.
     
  14. Duff_Beer_Doug Franchise Player Browns Indians C&D Club

    For the honor and satisfaction of turning around a perennial loser team and restoring them to their past.......ha, ha, ha.........

    Almost got that out without laughing......

    :lol:


    Point is though that nobody is coming here right now without the lure of a dump truck full of money. And we've got $100M stacked up in a vault like Scrooge McDuck......
     
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  15. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    That's not addressing his question. He's wondering why the Bills don't want a player that your supporting statistics seem to speak highly of. The natural response, of course, is that the statistics provided paint an incomplete and potentially skewed picture.

    I'm not saying that Taylor is a good or bad QB. I'm saying that if, as you claim, all teams use analytics, and the statistics that you're citing show that Taylor is a good QB, why does Buffalo want him gone (and did in the past)? I mean, it's a pretty simple question that can be addressed honestly and head on.
     
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  16. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    First and foremost, Cousins will only sign where he will be guaranteed the starter's position. In Cleveland, that's not open for debate.

    He has already established a history that revolves around money. There was only one other team that could compete with the Browns money wise and they just traded for their future starter.

    "Whatever it takes"!
     
  17. Im w you on those dumb PFF stats...they have no idea what a player is suppose to do depending on coverage, play call, blocking etc
     
  18. Lym you really think Hue would take the demotion and stay on as OC....that will never happen....also Gregg Williams doesnt deserve to be promoted to HC....this defense is very unsound and lacks discipline..they are giving up almost 27 pts game..last yr it was 28...move on from this staff
     
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  19. Duff_Beer_Doug Franchise Player Browns Indians C&D Club

    May take a change of head coach too. Not sure he'll come if Hue benches him every time he has a bad game. Hue has already set a precedent for the revolving QB door.
     
  20. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    If Hue doesn't want to stay on as OC, he most certainly can leave if he chooses to do so. My money is on, given the opportunity to work with a front office alligned as I described - and - obtaining the talent I proposed, he would choose to stay.

    Promoting Greg Williams leaves the bulk of the coaching staff intact. Give this defense more talent, experience and depth and even you would like what they can produce.

    You're obviously missing the main point. Blowing up the entire coaching staff every two years hasn't worked yet and will not work now.
     
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