That doesn't make any difference. The point is when the Steelers did go through a lean stretch, their fan base was pounding the table to fire Tomlin! They stood the course and today are where they are because they did.
Their there cause of Big Ben, Brown, Bell etc....defense has improved and went w a younger core and now fly around the field
I'd say it makes a helluva difference....Easier to give the coach a vote of confidence at Mike Tomlin's win percentage. He's not setting all time NFL losing records, and making panicked attempts at a back-up QB that "gets" his system... Tomlin is in a much better position, I can't deny that....But Hue isn't doing himself ANY favors.
It's pretty much "unwinnable" no matter which direction you go. I would argue it's not that unorthodox, but countless folks around the League think the Browns are doing this "all analytics", "off-the-wall" approach to football. That's why you hear certain members clamoring for a more "football-oriented" approach. That will be tough to find in a head coach if Hue is canned - how many folks would come here, knowing they don't get roster control, and have to work with an incumbent front office that may or may not be "unorthodox" in its methods? I agree that the most prudent move is to hire two positions: an offensive coordinator, and a team president. But again, we get into the issue of "whom" to fill those roles. It seems that Haslam's son-in-law may be taking on more of that president role, but there's no track record of success there and he's certainly not a "football-oriented" person. And again, how many qualified football traditionalists are going to come in and serve in that capacity? I would love for it to be Peyton Manning, but he's not a proven manager or executive - it'd be a first time learning experience for him, too. Who do you hire as an offensive coordinator? Hue's unwillingness to hire that position thus far would seem to indicate that the ultimatum would have to be handed down from the team president or Haslam himself - hire an OC or walk. So if Hue gets to hire that position, it is likely just a "yes-man" for Hue's own leanings and proclivities. Maybe it forces Hue to assume more of a leadership role as a true head coach but there's no guarantee that he does. If it's a hire that's forced upon him, that's only creating more friction in an organization that seems to be rampant with it. As painful as it may be and as unlikely as it seems - the right approach may in fact be to do nothing. Bring everything back in its existing form for Year 3 but with the very clear expectations that anything short of a .500 season means the entire staff is canned. Force them to work together. For those who think .500 is steep, keep in mind: even if they get five wins in Year 3, that's a projected 6-42 for the coaches and executives that will follow them forever. Hue will never get a head coaching opportunity again. Likely for Sashi and GM/personnel role.
Say the Browns finish with 1 win this season, too... 2-30 over two seasons. They could go 15-1 in back-to-back seasons (unheard of) and still only be at .500 overall. That's how historically bad this has been.
As I finished typing it, I thought of the counter-point to this: the Los Angeles Rams. They had a football-oriented guy who was very well respected leading their program (Jeff Fisher) who was historically a poor coach. His offensive system was out-of-date, he didn't really value analytics or change, he was adamant his system be run... stop me if you've heard this before. The No. 1 overall pick looked terrible in his system and a bell-cow running back looked stagnant. They let him go and brought in new coaches but everyone else stayed in place. They're currently the No. 1 offense in the NFL, the No. 1 overall pick looks like the No. 1 overall pick and their stud running back is in peak form. And they're doing it without a terrific supporting cast. Goff's leading receiver is Robert Woods - a cast off from Buffalo who's got a whopping 451 yards. They traded for Sammy Watkins who's added 19 receptions total. Their starting TE? 18 receptions and 187 yards. So if the Browns can find the next Sean McVay... in a heartbeat make that move.
^^^ Because a good head coach - and a better offensive gameplan - can make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
Aside from Goff - who was nearly universally-hated around these parts in 2016 - and Gurley... how is the Rams offense better than the Browns? Brown's scoring offense (2016): 16.5 PPG (31st) Brown's scoring offense (2017): 14.9 PPG (31st) #HueMustGo
I've tried as hard as I could to draw a parallel but you'd have to go back 40 years. I think there are much better comparisons out there.
QB,QB,QB,QB...Goff was miserable last yr and record dictated it...hes playing better and their record dictates it...its not a hard problem to solve...find a QB and it will generate wins
Maybe it isn't The Rams sucked with Goff as a rookie passer The Browns suck with Kizer as a rookie passer The Rams add Gurley and they do a complete 180 The Browns add Barkley in 2018 and do a complete 180...WITH KIZER, it isn't an impossibility. This isn't rocket science, most rookie passers not named Deshaun Watson or Robert Griffin III do not perform at their peak as rookies...That's just the way it is. Now, as stated ad nausea, Kizer has been historically bad, but an off season to re-boot the issues he has dealt with as a rookie could actually go a long way in what he does in the future. Just saying, I am not ready to write him off just yet, even if I would back another one drafted in 2018. If we cast aside every rookie QB because they look like rookies, we will never have a signal caller grow into a professional.
*Browns add Barkely, Mayfield, a new head coach in 2018 and do a complete 180... WITH KIZER on a short leash.
Jared Goff after 7 games as a rookie: 54.6% 1,089 yards 5 TDs and 7 INTs DeShone Kizer after 7 games as a rookie: 52.1% 1,144 yards 3 TDs and 11 INTs I'm not saying they are EQUAL, but Goff did at least get 9 games to sit and learn before being thrust into it...What if Kizer's second half numbers exceed Goff's rookie numbers, would that make you feel better? Let's see how it plays out... The sad part is, I still am not a believer in Jared Goff, but if THAT is our measuring stick, I have to believe we can find someone at least as good as he is... Now, Todd Gurley, all they have to do is pull the trigger on draft day...
I'm ok with that... As I stated, I don't want all my eggs in the Kizer basket, I'm just not ready to unload him after 7 games in his rookie season.
