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^^bc his feet never crossed the goalline, which is the rule for punts, isn't it? the td rule is different with a body being over the sideline line but still "in the field of play legally."

 

^^bc his feet never crossed the goalline, which is the rule for punts, isn't it?

whatever axe. taking the giants last year to be a super bowl team is a huge stretch. more so than atlanta making the super bowl. btw atlanta had the MVP last year in Matt Ryan. Not sure why Atl wasn't considered a SB team? hell dallas not making it was the biggest shocker of all.

a team that needs to win 3 on the road axe is tough to do to make it to the SB. even win 2 on the road. any team not just NY doing that is a stretch to me. more so than atlanta who won their division making it. and again with seattle, dallas, gb and atl all ahead of NY, yes, NY making it to the SB ahead of all of them is a ton to ask and believe in.

 

And a guy's feet never cross the sideline boundary, right...?

 

How is taking the Giants a "stretch" to go the SB when they were 11-5 the previous year, but Atlanta (8-8 in 2015) and Carolina (7-8-1 in 2014) WEREN'T...?

Why wasn't Atlanta considered a SB team? 8-8 in 2015, 6-10 in 2014, 4-12 in 2013. Matt Ryan didn't look anything like an MVP in those years, and his career playoff record was 1-4.

And who says the Giants had to be on the road? They couldn't win the East? More folks had them winning the East than Dallas. They had a better record than Green Bay and Seattle last year, and the same record as Atlanta.

 

axe-what or why are you arguing with over this ? the punt rule is totally different than the td rule. what guy are you referring too ? cam newton? he was in the air? the 2 eagles on his back im sure touched the line so what are you getting at here ?

 

axe-are you off your rocker? this is about 2016 not any other year. you said the giants were a SB team not me in 16 so stick to 16 pal. last year Matt Ryan was the MVP. I don't give a rat's ass what he did in prior years as this wasn't what we are talking about. you said 2016.

records ? who had the bye last year axe ? atl and dallas had byes. gb and seattle were home. so they may have had a better record axe but they didn't win their div as the others did so they were on the ROAD to GB as i said they were. for a WC team like NY to ever get a home game they need to win out and have their opponent have a worse record than they do and not be a div champ. so yes axe it's damn near impossible for the 2016 giants which we are discussing to have a home game in last year's playoffs. to get to the SB they needed to win 3 on the road as i said bc that is what they would need to do. and again that's hard for any team to pull off so why again were they are threat to get into the SB? Sure other teams had better records but they had either home field the first round or a bye the second round. easier roads to the SB that way Axe.

 

Newton's dive wasn't a TD because the idiot announcers forgot about the "Michael Vick Rule". The goal line doesn't go infinitely anymore. That was a loophole because because in mathematical terms lines don't have an end. It was since amended that the ball had to cross the line SEGMENT between the pylons. On review you could not tell if Newton ever got that ball over the pylon. If he did it was barely but you still couldn't be sure. I don't think he did and the internet sure is divided on if he did. Either was the announcers explicitly said the line extends past the pylons. Well it doesn't.

 

We're talking about a player (any player) crossing a boundary - same concept. You asked why a player whose body is out of bounds should still be considered in; I just pointed out the fact that a player who leaps into the endzone to bat a punt back is similarly not considered to be "in" the endzone, even though his body is above it and past the goalline.

 

Axe I believe was asking who picked the Falcons to get to the Super Bowl last year? Or the Panthers the previous year. This is why off season predictions are ridiculous, nobody had the Chiefs undefeated through the first 5 weeks. Also I don't think Axe picked the Giants to go to the super bowl, pretty sure he was defending Gideons pick of the Giants. Can't use what you know now to discredit a prediction that was made before the season. As Axe said they improved the WR corps and they have a good defense. Tragically they forgot to address the OL and Eli is getting killed and they don't have a running game. I can see picking them prior to the start of the season, wasn't my choice, I'm kinda pulling for the Eagles after that game last night. Wentz's toughness won me over.

As for the other issue, it was not that long ago the the end zone line extended past the boundary, as Romo and Nantz mistakenly said during the broadcast. On the game thread, I believe Joe was the one that posted that had changed and you had to get the ball over the line in the field of play. Personally I forgot they made that rule change and thought it was a TD too. When I read Joe's comment, I remembered reading about the change when it happened and was thankful I didn't post that it was definitely a TD lol.

 

Cat, have you started drinking again? YOU are of the opinion that it was crazy to think the Giants could have been considered a Super Bowl this year; all I did was point out the FACT to you that the last two NFC title game representative (Falcons and Panthers) were far bigger long-shots in 2015 and 2016

And I didn't say the Giants were a SB team in '16, pal - I'm saying it wasn't a crazy notion to think they could have gotten there THIS year. This is 2017 last time I checked.

 

^^^^^

This is EXACTLY what I'm getting at.

 

fair enough. odd rule.

 

You could not predict it easily off previous records but you could see it coming if you studied the roster and how the team has improved on paper in all the little ways plus experience. Atlanta and Carolina you could a bit it happened a year earlier than expected. Same with the Eagles now probably. Now the Chiefs were interesting because most thought they lost too many players and we're already possibly trending backwards. We were wrong.

 

Did the Giants look like a Superbowl team in regular season in either of their last two Superbowl wins?
(psst the answer you are looking for is no)

 

then freaking say it then without all the other bullshit you brought up. not one expert had the giants even winning the east this year let alone a threat to the SB. Dallas was the beast from the East. I saw the Giants in last on most experts polls. So i don't know why you would think they were a contender this year? adding Brandon Marshall? having a trio of RBs who suck? and most experts only had Dallas coming out of the East.

the eagles are 5-1 right now - even they are a long shot to me to make the super bowl! so for the 16 or 17 giants to make it - yeah im not changing my stance on them. u can say carolina or atl should've not made the SB all you want, it's still not the Giants. different teams and different players and different roads to the SB.

And i dont know if you breaking my balls bc i asked if Gid was drunk about his Giants pick or bc i don't drink anymore and posted it was a stretch to think they are a SB contender. nope heading into 18 months sober axe. im sure you don't give a shit about it. that's why i happily raise my ice water to stick it to those who think i still drink. cheers.

 

Even with other BS brought up I think you both started going on weird directions lol

 

or the Ravens 2 teams...

 

What "bullshit" Cat...? I explained it clearly - you just didn't get it. They were an 11-5 team last year; they didn't lose anyone of note on defense, and added a high-caliber WR to help their offense.

If you think "not one" expert had the Giants winning the East this year, you just didn't read enough. Sports Illustrated did; ESPN did; 10 of the 14 experts on NFL.com's panel did.

And if you don't like insults, Cat, then kindly don't dish 'em. I'm not the one who started there (Gid was drinking, and I'm off my rocker, remember?)

 

I didn't think I went in THAT weird a direction! If Gid had said he predicted the 49ers or Bears to reach the Super Bowl, I wouldn't have batted an eye at Cat's question about him drinking.

 

No. Cat was weirder lol.