I doubt they bench Kiser . but one can hope . the only way they deactivate Kiser would be because of injury not his shitty play .
I'm afraid you're right... but this team is looking like the one I thought could get to .500 or better before the season started. Hogan can execute an NFL offense. Hogan can make NFL passes. Hogan can read an NFL defense. Kizer simply cannot. IF he ever gets it, it will take 2-3 seasons of sitting behind someone and learning, which I thought was always the plan.
Game over . we should have won this game . constantly shooting themselves in the foot I put on the staff as much as I do the players .
I think I said back in Aug how can anyone say the NYJ game will b an easy win...I mentioned the couple of guys that helped keep the game close was McCown and Pryor who arent even on the team...SAS called me crazy, but proof that this team is just as bad or worse than last yr
Back in August, Cody Kessler was the starter and Myles Garrett was 100% healthy. Kevin Hogan played a good game and has this team in it. He didn’t produce garbage time points and stats like Shizer. Hell, he gave us the first lead of the 2017 season. Hogan starting that game would have been a Browns win. Hogan starting from Week 1 on to this one would have made it an easy win. DeBust Kizer killed the first quarter of this season with sub-NFL QB play.
I just cant get over how if this or that happens the Browns will win games....a miraculous catch gave the Browns their 1st TD and then a lay down gave them their 2nd TD....how is this team 0-5....they should easily be 5-0 w all the excuses and decision making...oh btw, w the Browns leading 7-3 Hogan's Int directly led to the Browns never seeing the lead again, but we wont mention that fact....that may cloud judgement
DeShone Kizer might have lost his starting job (Photo: USA Today Sports, 247Sports) CLEVELAND -- When Hue Jackson named DeShone Kizer the starting quarterback in the preseason, he said he would stick with Kizer through the highs and lows of a rookie quarterback's season. That's what is done with a future franchise quarterback. “If I feel like when he is going through trials that I feel like there is something better, then that is my job as a head coach to make a decision and say, ‘Hey look, this is better for us and that is what I did,’ Jackson said. "At the time, it just wasn’t working. I don’t think it goes against it. I went through that early in the first half. We were going through those trials and then when you keep looking, you say, ‘Hey look, you might need to do something different here.’ That is the decision I made. To me, it might have given us a chance to win the game. We just didn’t finish it.” Kizer said he understands why Jackson made the move. “Yeah, that is the plan when you are named the starter at the beginning of the season," Kizer said. "You foresee success. You foresee your job to stay where it is at. But when you come out and you turn the ball over like that – we have been turning the ball over and putting it in harm’s way – it is your job to make the proper decision or on Coach to make the proper decision. "Obviously, Kevin (Hogan) came out and executed greatly and represented the quarterback room exactly the way we want it to be represented in the second half and put us in a positon to win the game.” However, by halftime against the Jets, Jackson decided it was time to make a change after seeing Kizer turn the ball over twice inside the 10-yard line. Jackson was non-committal as to Kizer starting next Sunday against DeShaun Watson and the Houston Texans, whom the Browns traded with to allow the Texans to grab Watson. “I want to watch the tape," he said. "I want to know exactly what I see before I make all of those decisions.” When asked if he was setting up a quarterback controversy, Jackson shrugged it off. “Well, I am going to go watch the tape," Jackson said. "I am not going to say, ‘it opens Pandora’s box.’ Let’s watch the tape and see where we are, but again, we weren’t functioning as well as I thought we could on offense. I thought Kevin (Hogan) came in and did some good things. Obviously, Kevin did some really good things. It is unfortunate the one ball that went up got tipped. Demario (Davis) ran through the back door. We missed the block back there. That ball should have been a huge completion for us, but it wasn’t. New York made plays; we didn’t. That is what happens.” Jackson said he felt Kevin Hogan would give the Browns the best chance to beat the Jets. Hogan rallied the Browns, but they still came out on the short end of 17-14 score. Hogan was 16-of-19 for 194 yards with two touchdowns and an interception. His quarterback rating was 122.4. Hogan ran four times for 30 yards. Meanwhile, Kizer was 8-of-17 for 87 yards with no touchdowns, one interception and a fumble. Kizer rushed six times for 29 yards. Kizer had a rating of 38.1. Hogan was asked if he expects to start next week. “Right now, I am just doing what I can to get better and help this team get a win," he said. "I am not worrying about that. This whole season, I have only focused on what I can control. I think that I would do the team a disservice if I were worrying about outside things. My goal leading up to this week is just going to be the same routine, making sure I get my preparation in and do what I am supposed to do to do my job for these guys.” Jackson was asked what would be the determining factor in who started at quarterback next week. “Watch the tape," he said. "Watch the tape. This is my job. This is a feeling that I have about what we need from play at quarterback. DeShone Kizer is still, right now standing here today, is our quarterback unless I feel differently. Today, I felt differently to take him out, stick somebody else in there to give us a chance to win because I didn’t think it was going, as well as I wanted it to go. Outside of that, I will watch the tape and make a decision this week on what we need to do.” Extra Points New Kicker?: The Browns have to decide if they are going to stay with rookie K Zane Gonzalez, who missed two crucial field goals, from 52- and 39-yards out. Both kicks were wide left. Jackson said part of the reason he decided to go for it on fourth down at the four-yard line was the misses by Gonzalez. "You try to forget it," Gonzalez said. "Everybody has a day that you just want to forget and you don't want to think about it. That is today, obviously. A loss by three points, which sucks extra bad. Like I said, my teammates have all the faith in the world in me. Go back to practice next week and get ready for Houston." Gonzalez was a seventh-round draft choice and the Browns released K Cody Parkey, who has been AFC Special Teams Player of the Week this season for the Dolphins. Receiving End: WR Ricardo Louis led the Browns with five catches for 71 yards, including a long of 21 yards. WR Kasen Williams caught four passes for 33 yards, but had a 29-yard catch taken away on review. The Duke: RB Duke Johnson had three receptions for 63 yards, including a 41-yard touchdown late in the game. Louis started in place of WR Kenny Britt, who was out with a groin/knee injury. Johnson has scored a touchdown in three straight games. Johnson had six carries for 20 yards, as well. Touchdown Chief: Rookie TE David Njoku caught three passes for 48 yards, including a 21 yard touchdown pass from QB Kevin Hogan. Turnover Jason: CB Jason McCourty had an interception for his second of the season. He also has two forced fumbles. The Crow: RB Isaiah Crowell had 16 rushes for 60 yards with a long of 16 yards. He caught two passes for seven yards. Crowell couldn't get the first down on a fourth-and-one from the four-yard line in the fourth quarter. New WR: WR Bryce Treggs, signed just this week was active and caught two passes for 28 yards, including a 19 yard catch.
Not sure I’m following the logic here... Hogan has received zero practice time with the ones. Yet every time he comes into the game, he converts third downs, scores points, and gives us a chance to win. Every time DeBust Shizer is in, we turn the football over, kill our defense, and have to play from behind. How is it some terrific leap to believe that the first guy starting all games would have led to better than 0-5? Especially with losses of 3, 7, 3, and 3 points.
Blitz good to see ya . doing okay considering they cut me from the base of my neck to the crack of my fat ass a couple months ago .old lady still bat chit crazy so all is normal , oh and the Browns still are rebuilding ..I think that's what there doing anyways .
One game into their new, second quarter of the season, the Browns have their rookie quarterback licking the wounds of his first pro benching, their rookie kicker on the rocks, and their coach pouring gasoline on a seat ablaze in flames. The Browns fell to 0-5 by losing to the New York Jets, 17-14, after squandering four scoring chances with two turnovers and two missed field goals. And that was just in the first half. It turned out that benching quarterback Deshone Kizer at halftime was the least of coach Hue Jackson’s questionable calls. The absolute mind-blower came at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Kevin Hogan, subbing for Kizer, gave the Browns their first lead of the season, 7-3, on a one-handed touchdown catch by tight end David Njoku in the third quarter, and was trying to regain it, down by 10-7, with another nice drive. After the fourth-quarter intermission, Hogan had the Browns at the Jets’ 12, then to the 11, then to the 7 and then to the 3. On fourth-and-2, Jackson sent his embattled rookie kicker, Zane Gonzalez, on the field for the logical chip-shot field goal to tie the game. Gonzalez had missed from 52 and 39 yards, contributing to scrambling the eggs beneath Jackson’s headset. So the coach called timeout to think about it. Then his defensive players egged him to go for the first down or touchdown, telling their beloved coach, “We’ve got your back.” Jackson, who had used Hogan’s zone-read keepers effectively, lined up three tight ends in a tight, jumbo formation and handed off to Isaiah Crowell, who ran up the back of right guard Kevin Zeitler and was buried two feet short of the first down. Josh McCown then picked apart the deflated Browns defense and marched 97 yards in eight plays for the Jets’ back-breaking touchdown. Hogan tacked on a TD to make it close, thanks to an indefatigable 41-yard run by Duke Johnson with a screen pass, but it was too little too late. Jackson’s decision on the fourth-down gamble re-ignited howls for Jackson to cede play-calls to a coordinator. But the fact is, head coaches always make their own decisions on such critical points in a game – whether they call the plays or not. “Yeah, it was a tough decision,” Jackson said. “But I figured if we make the first down, we have a chance to go score and I think you have a chance to kind of put the game away. If we don’t make it, they have to go 98 yards, 97 yards, whatever it is to go try to score, whatever it is. We were playing really good defensively. “That call, that decision can be questioned, I get it. At the same time, I felt good that we could make a yard and a half in that particular point in time in that situation with that play, and if we didn’t, we would hold them down there. Neither one of those things happened. We didn’t make it and we weren’t able to keep them back there.” What didn’t enter into Jackson’s mind was the fact that rookie defensive end Myles Garrett, who splashed in his limited NFL debut with two sacks in about seven snaps in the first half, was pretty much done. Garrett played four snaps on the fateful drive only because replacement Carl Nassib tended to an injury. Garrett was not himself and limped off the field, the high ankle sprain squealing in pain. “A little bit,” Garrett conceded. “Still recovering from the ankle sprain. The more times goes by, the less it will affect me.” McCown’s triumphant return to FirstEnergy Stadium, sealed by that 97-yard drive, made him a winning quarterback for three games in a row for the first time in his 15-year NFL career. It also was his first win in Cleveland after suffering through two injury-ravaged years as the Browns' care-taker quarterback. “It took me three years and two teams, but I finally got a win [in Cleveland],” McCown said, all smiles, afterwards. In contrast to McCown, who was freed from this losing syndrome when the Browns cut him in February, Kizer looked shell-shocked when he addressed the media post-game. He supervised four forays into the scoring zone and came up with zero points. Two of the jaunts ended when Gonzalez pull-yanked both his field goal tries wide left. The others blew up on a fumbled pitch by Crowell tossed by Kizer after an audible at the Jets’ 3, and an interception when Kizer never saw rookie safety Marcus Maye lurking on a pass for tight end Seth DeValve at the Jets’ 2. Jackson told Kizer at halftime he was being lifted. This, after Jackson vowed to stick with Kizer “through thick and thin” when he made him the starting quarterback in preseason, and six days after he said Kizer played “lights out” in a 31-7 drubbing by the Bengals. Jackson effectively turned out the lights on his rookie quarterback. “If I feel like when he is going through trials that I feel like there is something better, then that is my job as a head coach to make a decision and say, ‘Hey look, this is better for us and that is what I did,’” Jackson said. “At the time, it just wasn’t working. “I don’t think it goes against it. I went through that early in the first half. We were going through those trials and then when you keep looking, you say, ‘Hey look, you might need to do something different here.’ That is the decision I made. To me, it might have given us a chance to win the game. We just didn’t finish it.” Kizer said he was “frustrated, for sure,” and vowed to “become a better player from the experiences that you have. “This is all new to me," Kizer said. "Being 0-5 is new to me. Being in the NFL is new to me. This organization and this city deserves wins. It is on me as the quarterback of this team to do whatever I can to help us get some wins.” Jackson declined to say whom he would start Sunday in Houston against Texans’ game-disrupter J.J. Watt & Co. Hogan was 16 of 19 for 194 yards and two touchdowns in his second-half of work. He had one interception and finished with a passer rating of 122.4. “He came in and did a great job for us,” said Garrett. “Doesn’t matter who’s in. I wish the best for both. I just want to win. You just have to go with whoever’s going to give us the best chance to win. You’re not going to give up on the guy. We have confidence in him, have confidence in both guys.” There are 11 games left and it appears the quarterback the Browns evaluated as No. 4 in training camp is about to take over the team.
