Again with the hyperbole. When did I say you're the only one that's upset? I said the notion that NFL owners are taking a patriotic stand and blackballing Kap is bullcrap. Because if he was a good enough QB.....he'd be playing right now regardless of how many times he kneeled for the anthem. does taking a knee really raise awareness of Police Brutality? It certainly got people talking....didn't it? I bet a lot of people thought Tommie Smith and John Carlos were being stupid when they raised their black glove covered fist in the air at the 68 Olympics.........yet it's still remembered today and it brought a lot of attention to an issue that too many people ignored.
bears-people's actions reflect on others good or bad. why do you think Terrell Owens isn't in the HOF? Because of his antics and actions on the field. I have no doubt that Kap's lack of being a better QB has kept him off teams, but don't you think that this whole taking a knee awareness act, that has played out for over a year, had a bad affect on NFL Teams and Owners? You yourself said "no one wants the circus that comes with him etc." To me whether you call it "blackballing" or "shunning" teams and owners just don't like Kap for what he did this past year. If it wasn't a big deal - why isn't every pro athlete taking a knee? I'm sure they all believe in fighting injustices and police brutality? Why? They probably think it's wrong to take a knee during the anthem. Why else not to join in and do it? You, Axe and others feel it's just a song and it's not a big deal. I think many Americans feel very different about it. They see the Flag as a symbol of America. Like "don't tread on me." The National Anthem is our Countries National Anthem. So when an Olympian wins a Gold Medal. What do they play? Do they play any song? No. They play the song of that winners home country as a symbol of that winners heritage and their home. It's pride and a badge of honor. Or else they wouldn't play a song at all. They would get their medals and leave. Like I said yesterday, we will never agree on this issue. I don't think we need to discuss it any longer.
Cat ~ Never said you were the only one in America who thinks the way you do. But YOU (not the others) are the one who's here having the conversation. I don't get how wearing a decal or ribbon somehow speaks volumes to the situation, but taking a knee doesn't. His taking a knee CLEARLY raised awareness - it's all folks can talk about (you included) when they mention Kaepernick. It got an entire pee-wee football team to follow his lead, right? Why does he have to do things YOUR way? Why can't he engage in legal and moral protest in HIS OWN way?
Cat ~ Never said you were the only one in America who thinks the way you do. But YOU (not the others) are the one who's here having the conversation. I don't get how wearing a decal or ribbon somehow speaks volumes to the situation, but taking a knee doesn't. His taking a knee CLEARLY raised awareness - it's all folks can talk about (you included) when they mention Kaepernick. It got an entire pee-wee football team to follow his lead, right? Why does he have to do things YOUR way? Why can't he engage in legal and moral protest in HIS OWN way?
Does it raise awareness? Yes, of course it does. Parents are there watching. It has you (and others) talking about it. So, yes, again. It is effective. Look, you just referenced a little league football game. So, that's proof that it is effective. If people can now just stop focusing on what knee cap of Kaep is on the ground or how Kaepernick is making the 'Murican flag cry, and react accordingly to the ISSUE that the knee represents, then we might be getting somewhere.
This past Sunday, Michael Bennett sacked Hoyer and then Bennett stood straight up and raised his fist. I instantly thought of the '68 Games.
yeah we're talking about it, but for the right and wrong reasons. look at us. we're divided on the issue.so yeah it brought awareness out of the closet and to the forefront of the news/media but it also brought out a lot of pissed off people too about him kneeling during the national anthem. you said "Kneeling harms no one. Except for you....apparently." to me this is the same thing as being upset that he's taking a knee during the national anthem!
he can do whatever he wants. doesn't make it right or wrong. if you wanna play that game, i can think of doing a ton of things legally, but still pretty shitty to do in public and cry "im doing this my own way!"
bears-people's actions reflect on others good or bad. why do you think Terrell Owens isn't in the HOF? Because of his antics and actions on the field. I don't see how this relates to the topic at hand at all. Kap kneeling during the anthem isn't an "antic". And it isn't negative. I have no doubt that Kap's lack of being a better QB has kept him off teams, but don't you think that this whole taking a knee awareness act, that has played out for over a year, had a bad affect on NFL Teams and Owners? It isn't hurting their income from what I can tell. And I think teams have handled in well, in general. And I have a feeling he majority of fans....just don't care. You have a small percentage of ridiculously butt hurt fans moaning about it and an equal percentage that support the players that have chosen to kneel during the anthem. You yourself said "no one wants the circus that comes with him etc." Yes, the media circus. The plague that surrounds sports....sports media. No one wants a locker room distracted by a backup QB. To me whether you call it "blackballing" or "shunning" teams and owners just don't like Kap for what he did this past year. If it wasn't a big deal - why isn't every pro athlete taking a knee? I'm sure they all believe in fighting injustices and police brutality? Why? They probably think it's wrong to take a knee during the anthem. Why else not to join in and do it? There are several players each week in the NFL kneeling...so others have joined. And the owners haven't taken any action against those that have....unless you are foolish enough to believe the fake Kansas City Chief story that floated out there.....or even more foolish enough to post that article here. You, Axe and others feel it's just a song and it's not a big deal. I think many Americans feel very different about it. They see the Flag as a symbol of America. Like "don't tread on me." The National Anthem is our Countries National Anthem. So when an Olympian wins a Gold Medal. What do they play? Do they play any song? No. They play the song of that winners home country as a symbol of that winners heritage and their home. It's pride and a badge of honor. Or else they wouldn't play a song at all. They would get their medals and leave. A flag is just a flag. A song is just a song. Every country has one. We aren't special. Flags and songs aren't more important than human lives. No one ever went off to war because of a song or a flag. It's silly American Nationalism that makes you feel that way. You aren't special because of the soil you were born on. I'm an American. And I certainly proud to be. But I'm a human first and foremost...and my life means the same as every human on this entire planet. Like I said yesterday, we will never agree on this issue. I don't think we need to discuss it any longer. Then by all means stop discussing it. I didn't ask you to reply to me.
But people are rioting in St. Louis instead. They are becoming a part of the problem. They are not acting accordingly, they are rioting instead. that helps no one! Because then the cops come in, then swat teams and arrest are made and people are teared gassed etc and it's all a fiasco. to me this is counterproductive. you want awareness- do something good with your time like Kap does in the communities. What does rioting do? Raise more awareness? How about a peaceful march instead?
This is the point I like to focus on...Kaepernick has a business management degree. He can't find a better way of fanning the movement for America to become less racially motivated than simply taking a knee and writing a $100k check once a month for 10 months. Most every athlete with a big checking account does that already, without kneeling at a moment of what the majority of the Country sees as a time to honor the country and those that serve it. As a celebrity, if this was the greatest value of his protest, why then would he not follow it up with something that actually educates the general public, rather than just saying it's to protest oppression?
So......because people will disagree on the subject means bring awareness to it is wrong? I'm sorry you're pissed....I'm not pissed off at all. I'm just confused how there can be more anger over someone taking a knee during a song than there is with the real problems we have in this country. I don't enough people getting angry when innocent kids are caught in drive by shootings on the south side of Chicago or in LA and Detroit. I don't see enough people get angry at the homelessness problem in this country. Or the thousand other real problems we have. But, again, black man kneeling during a song......and now you're pissed. You probably need to check your priorities.
I could argue that his lack of having a job has gotten more people talking than his act of kneeling...maybe it's a good thing he is sitting at home on Sunday?
I'm sorry but your arguments are childish, confusing, and drifting more and more off topic the further you go.
I disagree 100% with this statement... I hear WAY too often in converstaion about the player that kneels for the national anthem, it is extremely rare that any one states why he is kneeling. He isn't educating, he is grand standing.
I've seen a shit-tonne of peaceful marches (BLM) right along Broadway in lower Manhattan. Thousands strong, with police escorts and no remarkable events transpired. Racism is still here and it makes (negatively impacted or empathetic) people angry. And they have EVERY FUCKING right to be. I just wish rioters would do their thing on wealthy people's property out in the suburbs instead of crashing and burning their own neighborhood. Now, to me, that is stupid.
^^Dr. Martin Luther King led a peaceful march to raise awareness and thousands joined him. that's a positive message. for all the so called "awareness" that Kap thinks him kneeling brought to us blind Americans on this issue of Police Brutality, it divided us, not united us as one to fight these injustices. bears - can't you see that your views on the flag and song are not the views of many Americans? You call it a song and nationalism silly. Well I bet the majority of the US Population thinks differently than you did. That's my point. Many ways to send a message to raise awareness. Why did he have to take a knee to do it? It pissed a lot of people off, not made us all join together to fight this.
Yes, but there are a LOT more articles, segments on tv and players speaking out about the fact he isn't currently employed than ever spoke out or wrote about him kneeling. So this has been more effective, if that's what your argument is to begin with.
