NFL - NEWS & NOTES

I didn't participate last year, but I'm willing to this year. I'm assuming it's a straightforward Q&A with the different team reps?

 

It may be inexperience. I think it has more to do with the number of QB epic fails and the teams tendency to want to avoid going through that. I will say this..if Stafford hits free agency, SOMEONE ELSE would have paid that exact contract and the Lions wouldn't have any viable QB on the team.

Take it from a fan that has seen 26 starting QBs over an 18 year stretch, and will see #27 on opening night Sept. 10th. Finding a QB is a nightmare. I can't help but notice, most of the posters of this question are a fan of a team that has a starter that has been there for quite a few years, do any of you really relish the thought of finding a replacement?

It's all about supply and demand, there are 32 teams in need of a starting caliber QB and there are in any given year approximately 10 that a team is not looking to upgrade.

Right now, these teams are set at QB for 2017 (but some of them are uncertain after that)


Bengals - Dalton (on the bubble, this is how bad the QB market is)
Colts - Luck (injuries have me doubting this)
Titans - Mariota
Raiders - Carr
Cowboys - Prescott (sophomore)
Lions - Stafford
Packers - Rodgers
Falcons - Ryan
Panthers - Newton
Buccaneers - Winston
Seahawks - Wilson
Patriots - Brady (40 years old, but I will keep them on the list because apparently they think Garoppolo is the replacement)

So that's 12 teams, with a few that have some real question marks (Detroit is not one of them with a question mark)

Then the next tier of 7 teams that is arguable that they should be looking for a replacement/upgrade.
Ravens - Flacco (arguable)
Steelers - Roethlisberger (on verge of retirement)
Chargers - Rivers (on verge of retirement)
Giants - Manning (verge of retirement)
Redskins - Cousins (eve of free agency, and WILL hit free agency)
Saints - Brees (on verge of retirement)
Cardinals - Palmer (on verge of retirement)

That leaves 14 teams that have no idea whether they have a QB that will be part of the team for more than a season or two:
Bills
Dolphins
Jets
Browns
Texans
Jaguars
Titans
Broncos
Chiefs
Eagles
Bears
Vikings (this one was almost put on the 2nd list, but if you have (2) QBs, do you really have the one? Neither have proven they belong in the long term)
49ers
Rams

Do you think ANY of the above 14 teams wouldn't LOVE to have Matthew Stafford as their starter?


Hence, the growth in salaries for the position...

 

Hey, Torgo aint the only Falcons fan around here!

 

The Cleveland Browns have released CB Joe Haden

 

He was my daughters favorite player...The Browns may have lost a fan this morning, 14 year old girl holds grudges. To this day, she loves the Cavs, but cannot stand Lebron James, she has threatened to stop watching them because of the Kyrie trade, and I have explained to her ad nausea that HE requested the trade.

 

Haden is a class act all the way, and he was a really good CB for Cleveland for a few years.. One of the few picks my Browns got right. Unfortunately, this was something we could see coming from a mile away. Injuries have really taken their toll on Joe the last couple seasons, and he simply wasn't able to live up to his enormous contract. He may still be able to contribute in this league, but it won't be anywhere near $13M per....

 

The problem I have with it TD, he was an expensive backup, but would have been the best backup in the entire NFL...We just paid the Texans $16M for a future 2nd round draft pick.

I am starting to think Sashi likes Monopoly money (the NFL draft and draft picks being the money), and cares less about the actual players. I don't deny his loss of ability the past couple of seasons, but Joe Haden's loss of ability would still place him in the top 30-40 CBs in this league when healthy, which is what he currently is. He loved the city and was a huge advocate for Cleveland, an ambassador really. The one thought that keeps crossing my mind is that the Browns sat him down to let him know he was being replaced in the starting lineup and he asked for a trade or outright release. Either way, it wasn't in the Browns best interest to do so...imho

 

I personally thought it was comical yesterday when the "news" broke that the Browns were trying to trade Haden, Osweiller, and Cam Erving....I'mean, other teams watch film. I can't think of anybody on the team that would be more difficult to trade than those three. I'm pretty sure every team would like to trade their drastically overpaid and underperforming players if they could...

 

To what end? To be a really average team that can say they have a guy with a really good arm? What does that get you at the end of the season?

Do you know why the Patriots have Tom Brady for an under market deal? Is it because he's just a really swell guy or do you think it's because Belichick has gone to him and said, "Tom, you're the best QB in the NFL and everyone knows it but we're about one thing here in New England and that's winning championships. So before we even talk about your next extension I just want you to know we're not going to make you the highest paid player. You're probably not going to be in the Top Ten. If that's what you want the most then we'll just part ways and try to win another way. No hard feelings. If you want to stay and try to win championships here's where we think you'll end up. Let me know."

What have the Lions won that the Browns haven't?

Then how did the Giants, Steelers, Chargers, Seahawks and Panthers all convince their QBs to take less than Aaron Rodgers after an increase of over 20M in the salary cap? Why was Irsay damn near giddy to make Andrew Luck the highest paid NFL player? Was it because of supply and demand or because he's just not a very smart owner?

 

Heard the Browns were "aggressively" trying to move him. Hoping my 'Boys kick the tires on him.

 

According to Jason LaCanfora, Dallas and Green Bay have shown interest...

 

yeah for Eagles Q&A, Joe is the man! I'm just an angry fan, whereas Joe is knowledgeable from the players to the front office.

 

Those Championships are what makes the difference between Detroit and New England in contract negotiations.

The Redskins currently have a QB that others want and they can't even sign the guy to a long term deal, despite offering to make him the highest paid player. It's because the market tells him he can make more and despite our feeling these guys should be happy making less and stay with a team..fact remains supply and demand set the terms..the Demand FAR outweighs the supply in the NFL as far as QBs are concerned. You either have one, or you don't. The Lions have one, if they don't pay him, they won't. I would have to say, right now he is one of the main reasons fans still show up for games....Although, we have been showing up for games in Cleveland for the past 18 years without one, so what do I know.

Since Matthews was drafted:
Lions 56-72 .434
Browns 34-94 .266

I can't help the fact the Lions have ONLY found a QB...

Year Maximum team salary
2017 $167 million
2016 $155.27 million
2015 $143.28 million
2014 $133 million
2013 $123 million

Maybe because Aaron Rodgers is WAY better than any of those other QBs..Except maybe Tom Brady(whom we discussed above), Rodgers arguably has no equal currently in the league, possibly Drew Brees, but I noticed he wasn't on your list.

And, as far as comparison sake, do you think for a minute that ANY of those QBs wouldn't be paid more than Stafford with a 2017 extension?

In real terms, this is more of a 3 year $86M deal...or $28.7 per year... not the $30.3 million it is being touted...though, $28.7 is still a large number.

Stafford has been a top ten QB since entering the league..You just need to get used to the fact any top ten QB is going to get paid..

 

Titans not have a QB? lol

Mariota>Winston

 

Simple question... do you think having Stafford (and his salary) increases their chances of winning a championship or decreases it?

I am 100% convinced paying a guy like Stafford that kind of money decreases their chances of winning a Super Bowl. Same thing in Washington. Cousins is a system QB. Take him out of his comfort zone he's Cody Kessler.

The Lions have found far more than a QB. They've drafted plenty of talent since Stafford. He just isn't good enough to win with.

I'm not sure why you posted this.

That's my point. The Colts, Raiders and Lions are making a really poor financial decision and everyone is defending them with, "That's the going rate."

Since when? Why didn't the other franchises above feel the need to pay their much more accomplished QBs more than Rodgers even after record income increases?

In June 2017 Carr gets 25M. In August 2017 Stafford gets 27M.
In March 2013 Rodgers got 22M, why did Ryan get only 20.7M three months later?

No I don't. I think the smart franchises are going to reel this stuff back in.

Says you. Top Ten arm talent? Sure, without question. There's a lot more to playing QB than arm talent.

Every guy that signed in 2015 got paid. You're missing my point. They will all get paid but this new trend where every franchise QB gets paid more than the most recent franchise QB to sign is unsustainable and it doesn't make these teams better.

 

It must be a very boring news day for an announcement like that.

 

He was a top pick. That's always news, if only for a short while.

 

Everyone is getting paid..If their team doesn't pay them, someone else will...I think you are missing the REAL point.

If you have two teams vying for the same player, the cost for that player goes up...NOW, say you have 17 teams vying for the same player, how much do you think that will raise the price?

If there were 25 "franchise worthy" QBs available in the NFL, we wouldn't have this problem. There are less than 15 guys though, which doesn't even cover half the league.

 

Well, I was just saying... didn't mean a knock on the poster, just is a slow news day.

 

I'd say a 4 year gap in these time frames is a factor. $45M in salary cap difference matters these days.

In terms of Ryan, I think that's a situation were you can compare him incredibly evenly to Rodgers because they got it done the exact same offseason, and not 4 years later. Flacco signs first, with a 20.6M average. Green Bay looks at that and says "Aaron is definitely better than Joe so we have to pay him more" and he gets a $22M average. At that point, Atlanta tells Matt directly, "you're no Aaron Rodgers, so $22M is out the question, but we see what Joe got. Joe has a superbowl ring, so that factors, but we think you're slightly better so we'll beat his average", and thus Ryan averaged $20.7M.

Anything after that year isn't a fair comparison considering the salary. Honestly, looking back at your yearly contract breakdown, my assumption of this type of logic plays out for 2014 and 2015 also. The first player set the mark for that year, and proceeding players got paid off that first player.

Teams let their thought processes go to shit from 2016 on though