Kizer is the Kaiser in Cleveland

I agree that the possibility may be slim considering their approach, but the type of opportunity this class may present could be the type of factor that pushes the Cleveland front office to decide on adding another signal caller that comes with more upside.

If I'm the GM and Josh Allen is available when the Browns are on the clock, it means the record was poor enough to get me that high of a pick. Combine that with the difference in talent between the Kizer and Allen and that makes it more than enough for me to pull the trigger and go into 2018 with two potential starters rather than one.

It's the most important position on the field. I wouldn't stop drafting it until I knew for sure I had my guy, and then I probably still draft another somewhere the following season if I'm not comfortable with the back-ups I have.

 

I may not have ranked Kizer very highly with this crop of quarterbacks, but you'd be hard-pressed to find one of the 2017 picks with less upside than Kizer. In fact, that's why I knocked him (as perhaps strange as that sounds). The guy is exactly what you'd get when you create a "franchise QB" in Madden.

Kizer goes 6'4" and 233 with a strong arm, decent mobility, and high football IQ. Literally, my gripe in the offseason with Kizer is that given how much talent he has, I expected a ton more out of him.

That presumes you like Josh Allen more than DeShone Kizer. Yes, Allen will likely be a higher draft pick than Kizer was, but after 2017 seasons plays out, it will be interesting to gauge Kizer against the first rounders - Trubisky, Mahomes, and Watson. If the preseason is any indication, he should finish better than any of them, with the exception of maybe Trubisky.

Personally, I'm not as high on the 2018 QB class as everyone else seems to be. Sam Darnold gets a ton of hype, but less than Christian Hackenberg did for two seasons before he fell to the second round. Josh Allen is a better Carson Wentz, that is to say, not a Top 20 QB. Jake Browning is productive, but on the smaller side. Ditto for Luke Falk. Josh Rosen is the one that really interest me, but the early reviews on him are: love the skill set, hate the personality.

I'm all for drafting another QB in the R4 - R6 rounds. We could see a different tune in the offseason, but Hue has said he's basically "ride or die" with Kizer. That excites me because (1) he's going to pull out all the stops in an effort to make him succeed, and (2) we may be able to not have this discussion come 2018 offseason.

Literally, I am more excited about a mock draft where the Browns don't get associated to a QB for the first season in nearly 18 years.

 

No question, he's what they look for in the prototype with the height, weight and arm strength but there are different sets of football I.Q.

He possesses the ability to understand the playbook (a must as a pro), he appears to be growing in presnap reads (preseason reads are much simpler so week one will show how far he has actually come) while the others are still a work in progress. Those others being the ability to throw receivers open (anticipation accuracy is a combination of awareness and touch), the ability to make the correct decision in play, the ability to adjust the play accordingly (same comment as preseason reads) and the ability to overcome and adapt to NFL adversity (again, nothing in the preseason can really show if he has).

I'm not saying that he won't or can't, but he definitely showed little signs of being able to at the collegiate level.

The anticipation accuracy is one of the scores that kept Carson Wentz ranked near the 20th overall player in his class (off of our in-house scoring) while keeping Jared Goff in the top 5. It's a difficult thing for quarterbacks to learn and then excel with at the next level, but it's not impossible and there are several quarterbacks that have done it. The reason it's one of the more important numbers in our scoring system is how it changes a quarterbacks overall game, including their possible longevity in the league, in such a positive manner. A quarterback that has high anticipation accuracy can lose his arm strength later in his career and still be successful, or come into the league with limited arm strength and still carve out a nice career. It's the one thing that can beat great defensive coverage on a consistent basis.

I think there are things to be hopeful about, but I still see the player I scouted and I'm hesitant to believe that he is going to make enough of a mark in year one that he should be considered the guy no matter what the draft position is in 2018.

I think it depends solely on opportunity, but Trubisky's chances of being the best in 2017 took a hit with Meredith going down and Glennon still being looked at as the starter. Peterman may have a chance to steal the reigns from Taylor so he has an outside shot. Watson is in a solid situation to simply rudder the ship if Savage fails. It would take an injury or catastrophic meltdown for Smith to lose his job to Mahomes so he likely sits at least a season.

As things stand right now, Kizer should be the leader of this group be default. If they were all starting I would stick with my draft assessment and go with Mahomes in a bit of a landslide.

I think you could see up to 5 quarterbacks go in the first round, depending on how a couple seasons shake out. Darnold and Allen are probably locked into the top 5 unless injury or huge failure occurs. Browning and Faulk are probably going to push into the bottom of the round pretty easily and Browning may end up the player with the most hype building through the season. Perhaps even enough to see him go in the top 10. Rosen should get heavy first round consideration. This is the season for him to convince people he's the right player for the job and if he interviews well he's pretty much a first round lock. Mason Rudolph may sneak high into the second or possibly be favorited over a player like Faulk. You never know when a GM is going to pull a head scratcher. There's also Lamar Jackson. If he shows out with his arm this season there are going to be teams that will be willing to pay the high price for the potential.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Jets, Jaguars, Broncos, Chargers, Cardinals, Saints, 49ers, Dolphins, Redskins, Steelers and Browns all view the quarterback class considering their own current situations and potential lack of options at that position.

 

Damn... we haven't even had our first regular season snap and the Browns are looking for a new QB.

 

Haven't had a decent QB since Chad Pennington.

Gave Blake Bortles a sporting chance... dude will have had four seasons to prove himself.

Struck gold with HOF'er Peyton Manning then won a Super Bowl with a shell of the former player Peyton Manning. Spent a first on Lynch (who is terrible) and hands the reigns to Seimien because they refuse to sign Kaepernick.

Maybe a developmental guy. Rivers is still one of the top QBs in the League and while turning 36 by season's end, the new standard is 40.

Palmer's only ever been an adequate QB. Will be 38 by seasons' end. Time to build towards the future.

Brees is elite and isn't slowing down. If they think they can win with him, they'll add pieces around him. If they think he's peaked, they'll add an heir-apparent.

Tannehill is a good QB and still young. If he's recovered from injury, he'll be fine.

I'm thinking everyone will be fleeing this train-wreck of a franchise. Won't be high enough to draft a Top 5 guy, though, so they'll have to settle for a free agent or second rounder.

I wonder why Ben's contemplating retirement.



Oh yeah...

Not sure why they'd need to when this guy wins the Offensive Rookie of the Year.

 

I said - It's going to be interesting to see how the Browns view the quarterback class considering their own current situations and potential lack of options at that position.

"Potential" being the key word there. It's a reasonable question to ask and a total hypothetical that hinges on the huge if that is DeShone Kizer.

 

The Jets are going to be all in on a quarterback at the top of the 2018 draft.

The Jaguars will likely look at one in the first round, unless Bortles has a 'Rocky' type of comeback.

The Broncos may be drafting higher than anticipated and with the pieces they have now, going after Kirk Cousins in the off-season with the type of deal that makes the 49ers blink is a possibility. If not, taking a quarterback is a definite possibility.

The Chargers will see Rivers become a free agent in 2020. Grabbing a quarterback in 2018 is a real possibility considering where they will likely be selecting.

Agreed on the Cardinals. They will be taking a quarterback somewhere in the draft, unless, the early rumors on Cousins possibly landing in the desert turn out to be true.

The Saints are looking at a possibility of Brees being a free agent in 2018. I expect them to get a deal done but if they do not, New Orleans will be looking to add an arm in the draft.

The 49ers are probably still the front runner for Cousins' services, but things could change that put them in play for a quarterback near the top of the draft.

Tannehill will be returning from his second major injury. I would not be surprised to see the Dolphins explore options for life without Ryan considering the structure of his contract.

I kind of agree on the Redskins, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull the trigger in the mid first on what may end up being the first reach player in the draft. Quarterbacks tend to make desperate teams do that.

Roethlisberger's potential retirement should have the Steelers looking to add a quality quarterback at some point in the near to immediate future.

If Kizer ends up the offensive rookie of the year it will definitely kill any talk of drafting a quarterback high. However, the other side of the coin always exists so at the end of the season it could be the Browns that lead the discussion in chasing down a quarterback.

 

Dalvin Cook!!

 

he's a bigger if to

When was the last time the OROY and DROY came from the same team?

 

Has it ever happened?

That would be an awesome resume builder for the front office.

 

If early returns are any indication, the Browns may have the all rookie team..

Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
DeShone Kizer

All are named starters for game one.

Zane Gonzalez looks to be the front runner for becoming the teams place kicker

Does any other team have more than (2) rookies that look to be starters?

 

I'm pretty sure San Fran is going with 3 rookies at starting positions. The Saints are starting 3 if you count the nickel back position as a starting role. The Jags might start 3 if Marquez Williams has beat out Tommy Bohanon. The Rams are possibly going with three depending on Higbee and Everett.

I'm curious now how often more than two rookies start for a team. Looks like a potential research project...

 

The Jets could have 3 with 2 safeties and a possible WR.

 

I'll put our 4 rooks up against any of those 3 this year. I'm excited about this season!!

 

1967, Detroit - Mel Farr and Lem Barney