Hey Lounge Houndz, Anyone seen or heard from Bluez Lately. Just wondering if he's still on the Green side
LOL @IrishDawg42 You gotta take your golden glasses off, buddy. Kizer was not a good college quarterback. His draft stock is based on (1) a prototypical build and (2) a strong arm. He is, by very definition, a piece of clay that needs to be molded, polished, and baked before he can become something functional. Also had to chuckle at "good enough to start". As a freshman, Kizer had to redshirt because he couldn't be Everett Gholson and Malik Zaire. As a redshirt freshman, he couldn't beat out Zaire (Gholson, as you know transferred, so he couldn't beat him out, either) and only took over due to Zaire missing the rest of the season. He couldn't beat Zaire out in 2016 either, despite - it seems to you, one of the best college seasons for a QB of all time - and they shared snaps to start the season. Kizer eventually "won" the job, but was benched for Zaire again. Seriously... "good enough to start".
lol, you want to throw in the "red shirt designation"? BOTH Wilson and Prescott also redshirted as do 90% of college QBs... You do realize Zaire graduate transferred to Florida and is in line to be their starter, right? So Zaire isn't a slouch, and you call yourself a prophet? Zaire was considered one of the top QB prospects coming out of high school...Higher than Kizer...or Wilson or Prescott for that matter... If you didn't follow the season, you don't have a CLUE as to what went on at Notre Dame. You are freaking MORON if you take anything I said as "one of the best college seasons of all time"...go ahead with your boastful posts to try to make a point. The Irish are being so incredibly mismanaged by Kelly it is absolutely ridiculous. It is the sole reason Kizer left there in the first place. I watched every game for the past 40 years. I'm not simply plucking stats off a website and calling myself an expert. You should be so lucky to have me wearing my golden glasses, it makes me see this particular situation in a much clearer light than you do with your extremely narrow point of view. Don't worry, I'll hold your place on the Kizer train..you'll be jumping on soon enough.
First Howard Wilson and now Ed Reynolds with knee injuries that will cost them significant time Depth at secondary is looking a tad scary to me...
The difference is, Kizer DID end up beating put Zaire...Prescott did NOT beat out Tyler Russell...who? Tyler Russell, he's the guy that Dak Prescott couldn't beat out...ironically, Prescott finally got to play because Russell got a concussion in the first game of the season, but they still tried to get him back in the game throughout that season.
I keep in touch with him on Facebook. He FINALLY got the VA to approve his back surgery had had it done at The Ohio State medical campus last month. All reports are that he did well and is on the mend in rehab. I asked him if he wanted to go bowling and took his lack of a response as a resounding "NO"!
Fellas, I have NO idea if Kizer is truly going to be "the man". My optimism simply stems from what I've read and heard since we made him the 52nd pick of the 2017 draft. That, coupled with my lack of enthusiasm for the skillset of Cody Kessler....I began to change my mind almost immediately about Kizer after I saw all the film of him working with Jon Gruden. He has an impressive physical build that is obvious, but it's how sharp he is mentally that has me most excited... SAS, you can sell anything, and your ability to sell Kessler is phenominal, but I'm still gonna have to see it translate before getting too amped up. Maybe you are right about him, but I have serious doubts whether he can handle the brutality of this division. To me, Kessler falls right in line with Colt McCoy and Brian Hoyer. A real gamer with limited skillset... Maybe coaches do lather on praise sometimes when it's unwarranted....Do you know what coaches don't do? Frivolously give away starter reps to rookie QB's....Kizer wouldn't be getting those reps if he wasn't on the fast track to start. That seems pretty obvious...
How about coaches who went 1-15 giving starter reps to a lone guy, one with a track record of injuries in fact? Since the trade was announced, it was clear Brock Osweiler is not in the long term plans for the Browns - hence the reason he's taking second team reps. Kizer is getting shared reps with the one's because on Week 1, he's going to be the primary - and only - backup to Cody Kessler. Hue is a smart guy and learned from his mistakes.
I don't disagree with that SAS, I just think you are selling Kizer short...but it won't be the first or last time we disagree on a prospect.
Truth. I had Kizer graded as a third- to fourth-round pick. For me, the accuracy is the biggest red flag. Even in training camp, reports are the same. He'll make the "wow" throw with his big arm, but two plays later miss an easy slant route. With few exceptions, accuracy isn't something that gets markedly better at the next level. In 2016, the average completion percentage among starting quarterbacks was 63.6% (the median was 63.5%). Of the 16 QBs below the median, only two teams (Giants - 63.0; Houston - 59.0) made the post-season. Eli Manning's mark of 63.0% is pretty damn close to the mean/median and Brock Osweiler was carried by a phenomenal defense. Kizer had a career best of 62.9% and a career low of 58.7% (career average of 60.7%). What has Hue Jackson gone back to again and again as the number one requirement? Accuracy. If he's given time to acclimate to the game, to develop as a passer, to improve his reads, etc. - then yes, he has the tools to become a very good NFL starter. If he's forced into action early, even if he "gets the playbook", his mechanics will be what holds him back. Instincts and habits come into play and if he hasn't worked those out of his system, he's going to struggle.
To be clear, I'm not trying to knock DeShone. On paper, he has a very high ceiling. I also believe he has a very low floor and will take a lot of development to reach his full potential. My guy, Cody Kessler, does not have as high a ceiling, but certainly has a higher floor. Moreover, there's a lot to playing the QB position besides how a player looks in shorts. Of those players in the Top 16 in accuracy, Prescott (4th) and Cousins (8th) were fourth-round picks. Wilson (12th) was a third rounder. Brees (2nd), Dalton (13th), and Carr (15th) were seconds. I'm throwing out Tom "Asterisk" Brady, like usual. He did not have enough snaps to qualify, but Kessler's rookie mark of 65.6% (and highest adjusted completion percentage and highest under pressure completion percentage - again, throwing out Brady) would have been 9th for overall accuracy, and obviously 1st and 1st.
That's why I want to know the drop numbers from 2015 though...It was seriously ridiculous, like worse than Braylon Edwards bad in Notre Dame last year. Now, I'm not going to say it dropped him 5% or anything ludicrous like that, but if he had 30 drops, and I would be shocked if it were any lower than that..then that would be a difference of 58.7% and 67%..obviously you aren't going to cure 100% of the drops, but if you even take half..you are still sitting at 62.8% and right at your "threshold"...while being very young at only 21 years old. I agree that breaking bad habits is going to go a long way in his development, and if he isn't given time to do so, it will be detrimental. But, I don't think it will be devastating. Peyton Manning came into the league with some pretty awful habits and he did just fine in his career.
This plays directly into my thought process on Kizer going into the draft. I see accuracy as two separate parallels. One can improve over time while the other is something that is almost impossible to fully overcome. Direct accuracy or arm accuracy is typically something a quarterback has or doesn't. It's reflected by consistency in hitting open targets and placing passes between the numbers. Kizer has the ability to rifle the ball but even with a motionless target he has difficulty in drilling it home repeatedly. Anticipation accuracy is something that can be coached into a player and overtime can be developed into a strength. It's something that the great quarterbacks have in abundance and when their arm strength and direct accuracy fades they can still play at a high level due to being able to diagnose coverage and throw players open. This is something that DeShone did not have in college but that Hue could work into his game. I see a player with ideal size, ideal arm strength and moderate to severe accuracy issues. For me personally, he scored low enough that Rd2 pick 52 was an extreme reach. Not as extreme as Kessler, but still a full round+ early. I think Cleveland is doing the right thing with the position in regards to how they are building the roster. They continue to add draft ammunition, add youthful talent and plug holes through free agency. When the time is right they can buy a quarterback or spend a high pick (this upcoming off-season/draft may create the perfect storm) and drop that player into a team that is rife with talent and ready to win enough games each year to put them in division contention. The quarterbacks they have now will know the system and can step in if the desired option ends up on a stretcher. And for the record, that's not me ripping the Cleveland quarterbacks or slamming their chances to win 6 games this season. It's just how I view it from an outside perspective.
I interupt my popcorn munching for a brief interjection . . . Are we allowed to disregard half of the throws that Cody made that were dropped or did he finish higher than he really did? Just wondering.
One of Kizer's and Osweiller's former weapons, Will Fuller, broke his collarbone today....That's rough news for the Texans.
