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Question(s) for some of you who are more tuned in than I:

If the Browns don't take a QB this year, do you think they'll be trying to "tank" another season for another high draft pick and trade up (if needed) to get "their QB" in 2018?  And do you think Hue Jackson and the FO have enough leash left with Haslam to draft next year and possibly still be around to have their "breakout" season in 2019 if it takes a year for the new guys to get up to speed? 

Or do any of you think that Haslam's patience will be wearing thin and we start this vicious 3-year cycle again if they can't start winning this year or next?

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Duff_Beer_Doug wrote:

Question(s) for some of you who are more tuned in than I:

If the Browns don't take a QB this year, do you think they'll be trying to "tank" another season for another high draft pick and trade up (if needed) to get "their QB" in 2018?  And do you think Hue Jackson and the FO have enough leash left with Haslam to draft next year and possibly still be around to have their "breakout" season in 2019 if it takes a year for the new guys to get up to speed? 

Or do any of you think that Haslam's patience will be wearing thin and we start this vicious 3-year cycle again if they can't start winning this year or next?

1. I believe the Browns will draft a QB next week.  I just don't think they will reach for one of the "top 4".  Nor should they.

2. I don't believe they tried to tank last season.  1-15 is what you end up with when you field dress the roster in the way it was done last year.  No one will ever convince me they intentionally tanked the season to get the number 1 pick in the draft.

3. Hard to venture a guess about Haslam.

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SAS wrote:
showstopper wrote:

I see 2-6 heading into the bye...beating Cincy and NYJ

Of course you do.

AFCN: 2-4
AFCS: 2-2
NFCN: 2-2
AFCW: 1-0
AFCE: 1-0

8-8 ceiling. 5-11 floor.

What do you mean...thats 2 more wins than your boy Kessler had all of last yr.....major improvement and that's after 8 games

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CLEVELAND BROWNS 2017


I see a win coming against Minnesota in our only scheduled regular season National TV appearance. What's so special about them?   Plus, we are the "home" team in that one.  So we got that goin for us....

What a crock of shit. However I do think we can handle Minn. Same with Tenn

Tenn has 2 top draft picks(5 n 18) and handled the Browns easily last yr...Minny has a great defense lead by the #3 pass defense in the league and a solid front 7

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Duff_Beer_Doug wrote:

If the Browns don't take a QB this year, do you think they'll be trying to "tank" another season for another high draft pick and trade up (if needed) to get "their QB" in 2018?

Agreed with Lyman.  They'll draft a QB at some point, but I hope - and am starting to believe - it will happen in R3 - R4.  Something like Peterman at #65 or Dobbs at #108.

I could be proven wrong, but I believe that the ultimate goal is team-building.  They even said at the on-set of this they were looking at a five-year project.  To me, that doesn't mean you 'panic' and select a QB in a suspect class your second year in.  If a team like Oakland is the model, McKenzie didn't select his QB until year three and even then, it was a second round guy, so not like they had to stretch and use a first round pick.

If there was a slam-dunk quarterback in 2017, they'd take him.  By all accounts, there isn't.  They should stay the course with Kessler, Osweiler, a mid-round rookie, and Hogan (practice squad).

And do you think Hue Jackson and the FO have enough leash left with Haslam to draft next year and possibly still be around to have their "breakout" season in 2019 if it takes a year for the new guys to get up to speed?

I think the shortest leash belongs to Hue Jackson and even at that, they won't can him because of his personality and what that means to the "culture rebuild".  The reality of the 1-15 season was a head coach who fell in love with a reclamation project (Bob Griffin), sculpted an offense to fit his strengths, and when the inevitable happened several games sooner than expected, the rest of the QBs on the roster couldn't execute that offense.

Worse still, the interior of our offensive line was so pathetic that we couldn't keep a QB healthy.  McCown with a decent line would have started more than
three games.  Kessler with a healthy line probably would have won several.

In the offseason, they fixed the line - at least on paper - and spent there knowing that it wasn't a great offensive line draft.  They need to add some weapons for the QB - whomever it ends up being - and I think they can have an offense that at least competes at an NFL level.

Or do any of you think that Haslam's patience will be wearing thin and we start this vicious 3-year cycle again if they can't start winning this year or next?

I think calmer heads have finally prevailed.

http://www.steinbergsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Dee-Haslam.jpg

Now that she's officially a co-owner, I think (or at least hope) she has more say in those decisions.  Let Jimmy run his rebate fraud company while Dee runs the show in Berea.

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showstopper wrote:

Tenn has 2 top draft picks(5 n 18) and handled the Browns easily last yr...

"Handled" - won 28-26.

That's great they have two picks.  What if they pull a Ray Farmer and draft a Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel?  How does that help them widen that 2-point gap on the Browns?

Minny has a great defense lead by the #3 pass defense in the league and a solid front 7

They do have a very good defense - and a very crappy offense.  The games the NFL sends over to London are awful.  Expect a 9-6 field goal fest.  Since Minnesota can't kick field goals, I'm taking the Browns.

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Agreed with Lyman.  They'll draft a QB at some point, but I hope - and am starting to believe - it will happen in R3 - R4.  Something like Peterman at #65 or Dobbs at #108.

That is more what I was meaning in my question.  Didn't imply that too well.

Just about every mock draft has the Browns taking QB at 1.12, which the thought just horrifies me with the quality of this year's "top" QB's.  I'd rather they just build and fill holes with the first 2-3 rounds and take a flyer mid-draft on a QB.

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SAS wrote:
showstopper wrote:

Tenn has 2 top draft picks(5 n 18) and handled the Browns easily last yr...

"Handled" - won 28-26.

That's great they have two picks.  What if they pull a Ray Farmer and draft a Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel?  How does that help them widen that 2-point gap on the Browns?

Minny has a great defense lead by the #3 pass defense in the league and a solid front 7

They do have a very good defense - and a very crappy offense.  The games the NFL sends over to London are awful.  Expect a 9-6 field goal fest.  Since Minnesota can't kick field goals, I'm taking the Browns.

Oh SAS cmon my man this game was over at 28-13 w 4 mins left...the Browns accumulated 137 yds during that span and totaled 341 yds in the game...therefore they had 204 yds of offense until 4 mins left in the game...thats being handled...also they had 15 rushes 40 yds...Tenn was never in doubt

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Duff_Beer_Doug wrote:

Agreed with Lyman.  They'll draft a QB at some point, but I hope - and am starting to believe - it will happen in R3 - R4.  Something like Peterman at #65 or Dobbs at #108.

That is more what I was meaning in my question.  Didn't imply that too well.

Just about every mock draft has the Browns taking QB at 1.12, which the thought just horrifies me with the quality of this year's "top" QB's.  I'd rather they just build and fill holes with the first 2-3 rounds and take a flyer mid-draft on a QB.

Thats the thinking Duff...keep taking fliers and then comeback w I wonder why that guy didnt work out...smh

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SAS wrote:
showstopper wrote:

Tenn has 2 top draft picks(5 n 18) and handled the Browns easily last yr...

"Handled" - won 28-26.

That's great they have two picks.  What if they pull a Ray Farmer and draft a Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel?  How does that help them widen that 2-point gap on the Browns?

Minny has a great defense lead by the #3 pass defense in the league and a solid front 7

They do have a very good defense - and a very crappy offense.  The games the NFL sends over to London are awful.  Expect a 9-6 field goal fest.  Since Minnesota can't kick field goals, I'm taking the Browns.

I thought Pettine wanted Gilbert?  Also, it seems like Tenn GM has a clue taking my boy Conklin #1 last yr....I tried telling everyone he wuld b a stud

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Stopper,

I have an honest question for you and I would expect an honest answer;

Why do you frequent these boards?  You are obviously not a fan of the Browns as even the most discouraged Browns' fan has something positive to add to a discussion once in a while.  But, not you.  I've seen some of your posts on other team boards and a lot of them are insightful and add to the conversation.  But, not here.


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Lyman wrote:

Stopper,

I have an honest question for you and I would expect an honest answer;

Why do you frequent these boards?  You are obviously not a fan of the Browns as even the most discouraged Browns' fan has something positive to add to a discussion once in a while.  But, not you.  I've seen some of your posts on other team boards and a lot of them are insightful and add to the conversation.  But, not here.


@Tim

Nothing insightful?  I post on Pitt and Balt cause those 2 boards usually have convos going on frequently....I said I liked the Coleman pick, Manziel pick and Trubisky shuld b their guy and you disagree....does that make you not a Browns fan?  These boards are all opinions so techinically you, me or anybody else isnt exactly right...just cause I predict 2-6 heading into their bye week is not what you want to hear doesnt make it unacceptable....hell thats doubling their win total from last yr half way through the yr....wuld u rather me write their going 16-0 and then have Irish tell me thats why your not respected on these boards like hes the king of message boards?  I will say this i watch football 24/7 and enjoy the game a great deal and the Browns are just not a good team....I dont sugar coat it and say this guy did well(Kessler) when his team went 0-8 as a starter....isnt that the bottom line Ws and Ls?

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showstopper wrote:
Duff_Beer_Doug wrote:

Agreed with Lyman.  They'll draft a QB at some point, but I hope - and am starting to believe - it will happen in R3 - R4.  Something like Peterman at #65 or Dobbs at #108.

That is more what I was meaning in my question.  Didn't imply that too well.

Just about every mock draft has the Browns taking QB at 1.12, which the thought just horrifies me with the quality of this year's "top" QB's.  I'd rather they just build and fill holes with the first 2-3 rounds and take a flyer mid-draft on a QB.

Thats the thinking Duff...keep taking fliers and then comeback w I wonder why that guy didnt work out...smh


Hey Bartender!  I'd like to buy my pal Stopper here a drink.  He'll have a vinegar and water.

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CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora "continues to hear" that coach Hue Jackson and his staff is "all in" on Myles Garrett at No. 1, but the front office and owner Jimmy Haslam is leaning more toward Mitchell Trubisky.
The "owner badly wants a QB," according to La Canfora. Haslam was said to be the one who banged the table for Johnny Manziel a couple years back, and that obviously backfired terribly. Maybe Haslam should consider refraining from meddling in personnel decisions and try and let his staff turn around this franchise. However, it sounds like the front office is also in his corner on this one, wanting a potential franchise passer. Garrett is a legitimate game-changer, and the "football guys," as in the coaching staff, know it. EVP Sashi Brown spoke earlier this week and hinted the pick will either be Garrett or Trubisky.

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Not a great sign if they select Garrett and the Browns crumble this yr...Hue will b gone

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